We are getting closer to creating a Herd Share in Byron Bay. We’ve found a Farmer who is just about to finish his contract with the dairy corporation and is willing to provide raw milk to a group of 500 to 1000 people. The local farmer’s market is willing to encourage the distribution of raw milk from a stall every Thursday and Saturday - for cosmetic use of course. We have a couple of interested parties willing to take on distributorship. Next step is to find those interested in a reliable raw milk supply in the Byron Shire. If you are one who is interested, leave a comment at the bottom of this article and I will contact you. Even if you’re not from Byron Shire, leave a comment, we may know where to send you or just give us your thoughts.
Here are some interesting tid bits for those who are a little worried about the safety of consuming local raw milk.
During the 1920s and early 1930s, several studies were carried out that compared the effects of raw versus pasteurized milk in children. In one study, 224 chilren at the Boston Dispensary were fed either raw certified milk or grade A pasteurized milk. (Archives of Pediatrics, 1926.) Those fed raw milk were healthier than those fed pasteurized milk, even when the pasteurized milk was supplemented with Cod Liver Oil. In a comparison of two groups of over 100 babies, those fed pasteurized milk had lower weight gain, more rickets and diarrhea and a greater mortality that those fed raw milk. (Archives of Pediatrics, 1929). And in a study of school children in Scotland, those given raw milk had better growth than those fed pasteurized milk. (Nature, 4/18/31).
In a number of studies involving rats over several generations, researchers Scott and Erf documented normal growth, good health and gentle disposition in rats fed an exclusive raw milk diet. Rats fed pasteurixed milk were anemic, had slow growth, rough coats, loss of vitality and weight, and were very irritable, often showing a tendency to bite when handled (Jersey Bulletin, 1931 Vol 50)
In studies of Guinea pigs carried out by Wulzen and Bahr, animals fed whole raw milk had excellent growth and no abnormalities; those fed whole pasteurized milk had poor growth, muscle stiffness, emaciation and weakness and death within one year. Autopsy of pasteurized milk fed animals revealed atrophied muscles streaked with calcification and tricalcium deposits under the skin and in the joints, heart and other organs (American Journal do Physiology, 1941).
According to statistics posted at the US government’s centre for Disease Control Website, those consuming raw milk are 2.5 times less likely to contract food borne illness than those consuming pasteurized milk and 3.5 times less likely to contract food borne illness from consuming other foods.
Raw milk contains numerous components that kill bad bacteria and strengthen the immune system. In the infant, these components provide immunity for life to any pathogen to which the baby is exposed. These components are mostly destroyed, or greatly reduced, by pasteurization.
Since 1999, Organic Pastures Dairy in California has sold 40 million servings of raw milk and raw milk pruducts, without one reported illness; during the same period, there have been at least 20 recalls of pasteurized milk products in California. The most occurred in May, 2006, hen 13000 inmates at 11 state prisons contracted gastroenteritis from campylobacter in half-pint cartons of pasteurized milk.
To find out more about Real Milk. visit the Real Milk Website. You could also subscribe to Planet Raw Milk, to be constantly updated on this issue.
About the Author...
Joanne Hay, Editor of Nourished Magazine, Chief Nourisher and Mother of three is very grateful to live in Byron Bay and be able to share all she has learned about Nourishment. She has trained as an Acupuncturist (unfinished), Kinesiologist (finished) and parent (never finished). She serves the Weston A Price Foundation as a chapter leader. She loves sauerkraut, kangaroo tail stew, home made ice cream, her husband Wes and her kids Isaiah, Brynn and Ronin (in no particular order…well maybe ice cream first).
Aug 11th, 2006 at 8:41 am
That’s fantastic news, now we just need it to keep progessing toward Victoria :)
Aug 11th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
Joshua
Have you contacted Arabella (broadbean[at]optusnet[dot]com[dot]au), she may be close to getting a share herd together, especially since Mark McAffee, a raw milk advocate from the states (www.organicpastures.com) is coming to the Slow Foods Convention down there in September. I bet Raw cheese made at home from raw milk would taste wicked down in Victoria.
Blessings
Joanne
Aug 20th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
I would be interested in either distributing raw milk in Adelaide SA,
or starting a share herd, with like minded people
Aug 31st, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Yes, am interested in raw milk. Yum
Sep 9th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
We are dairy farmers near Adelaide, aware of the benefits of raw milk and would like more info on herd share
Sep 9th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
I will contact you off list. Any one else interested in Raw Milk Herd Share’s Email Nourished via the contact form. We have exciting things to tell you..
Joanne
Sep 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Dear Joanne, I am a big fan of Weston Price Foundation. I believe that raw milk is healing and treated milk causing diseases and killing. Would you know anyone in Perth, who sells raw milk, butter or cheese and how to get herd share in WA. Kind regards Gita
Sep 23rd, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Gita
Western Australia’s Wise food list:
http://www.nourished.com.au/western-australia-wise-food-list/
Blessings
Joanne
Oct 5th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
For years I have been reading about the benefits of raw milk and I would love to know about any opportunities to obtain raw milk. I live on the Central Coast of NSW about an hour and a half north of Sydney. Does anyone know of anything in this area?
Oct 12th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Hi,
Just moved to the byron area and very interested in obtaining raw milk. Have been looking for it everywhere, especially after drinking some of the cleopatra body milk from Qld.(cosmetic use only of course….)and noticed I had a billion times more energy.
Cheers,
Karen.
Oct 12th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Karen,
The herd share is coming closer. I’m visiting the farm regularly and we have a solicitor working on the paper work.
I’ll email you to talk further.
Joanne
Oct 17th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Hello,
I am very keen to source some raw dairy. I was in Qld recently and loved the Cleopatra’s bath milk, but alas it isnt available here in Victoria.
Do you know of anyhwere I can purchase or acquire it down here?
Also what is the Raw Milk Herd Share’s?
Love the website too! Very informative and inspiring!
Kind Regards
Matthew
Oct 18th, 2006 at 6:42 am
Thanks Matthew.
Arabella Forge is the Weston Price Chapter for Melbourne. She is working on http://www.realmilkaustralia.com. You can contact her through the site.
Herd Share’s are associations of people who, together, buy a herd of cows. A share is anywhere between $10 and $60 each. They then employ a dairy farmer as the manager of their cow and pay them to manage and deliver them milk. In Byron we will be organising a herd share that provides milk for cosmetic reasons only. The choice to consume it is personal. There will be contractual agreements in place between the share owner and the manager. And people without share agreements can not receive the milk.
We are setting up a site called herdshare.com soon where you will be able to register your interest, anywhere in Australia. When enough people are interested and a farmer can be found, interested parties will be contacted and the beautiful, sweet raw milk will flow.
Good luck finding a source down there. When you do, let me know about it and I can update the wise foods page on nourished.
We are about to do a redevelopment on Nourished. It will be a monthly magazine with a blog attached. We will offer advertising space for businesses aligned with our message and are considering a shop with appropriate supplements and lifestyle gadgets. If you have any suggestions for the redevelopment, shoot.
Blessings
Joanne
Oct 25th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Hey Im a small goat dairy in N. california. I will be doing a herdshare next milking season. another way Ive heard about to get around the pasturization laws is to mark on your cheese ‘NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.’that weeds out the people not paying attention. hey? This season I had one of my raw cheese clients diagnosed with lyme disease . through her reasearch, she suspects that lyme disease can be passed through raw goat products. has anybody heard of this?
Nov 1st, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Any developments on the herd share near Adelaide? We’d love to be part of it. Where can I get info?
Nov 2nd, 2006 at 9:15 am
Susan,
Contact Arabelle at realmilkaustralia.com
Nov 27th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
Real Milk…in Melbourne at last!
Hi, I’ve been almost pestering Trevor from Cleopatra’s Bath Milk to start shipping some of his lovely milk down to Melbourne, it is now shipped weekly to Melbourne Market and all you have to do is get your closest organic veggie store/health food store, to pick some up there when they do their weekly veggie shop from there.
I haven’t got the exact stand info (I know that Trevor sells organic produce to the market already, he just sent some milk along now, too), but I’ll write another comment once I do..
Also, I don’t know how much milk is actually delivered every week but I can find out.
Nov 29th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
I am looking for raw milk to buy locally near Trentham, Victoria (which is near Daylesford, Woodend or Kyneton). I require 24-30 litres per week. Must be organic (not necessarily certified) but cows/goats/sheep that do not eat grass or hay that has been sprayed with artificial fertilizers or pesticides and that are free from antibiotics or other synethetic medicines.
Love to hear from anyone in the area who is interested in selling raw milk.
Thanks
Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
I would like to purchase raw milk in Perth. Let me know if you know of anyone who sells it. Thanks.
Greg
Dec 4th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
I have now managed to get Cleopatra’s Bath Milk down in stores here in Melbourne.
It’s now sold at Organic Wholefoods in both the Smith St and Lygon St stores.
They have started with only a small order so shown interest would really boost future supplies down here I think.
Also, Trevor at Cleopatra’s sends his milk down to/through Organic Wholesalers at Melbourne Market so if your local Healtho already buy from them, they can also put in orders there…it’s delivered every Thursday.
Dec 4th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Reply to Jeanee
-I also remembered that Organic Wholefoods have a store in Daylesford, (see previous post):
29 Albert St, Daylesford, Central Victoria
Ph: 03 5348 4022
Don’t know if they could also buy Cleopara’s Bath Milk from Melbourne Market but it might be worth a try…
Dec 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
Thanks Emma,
That’s great news. I’ll let you know how I go getting the milk.
jeanee
Dec 13th, 2006 at 10:33 am
Here’s the story -
Organic wholefoods says that they need to find a legal document that says that they can legally sell raw milk as a cosmetic before they will sell the product and my supplier who goes to the wholesale market, says that organic wholesalers haven’t heard of the product.
If there is any change, will post and let you know.
Jan 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
I’d love to know if there’s anywhere in Canberra that stocks raw milk. If anyone knows I’d be most interested in hearing about it :)
Jan 6th, 2007 at 6:13 am
Amy,
Go to Real Milk Australia and register. It’s an aliance of raw milk consumers lobbying to legalise raw milk. Together we achieve more.
Feb 4th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Myself and two friends are looking for a Sydney distributer or hobby farmer willing to supply us with raw milk. Can’t wait for this to be a reality!!!
Feb 5th, 2007 at 1:12 am
Thank you,
it is very important to me. I am very happy and grateful that this site exits and provides such a useful and and life-changing information. Thank you for it and for all the other efforts. I am from Adelaide and will use the contact provided here. I am interested in purchasing raw milk for our family however I am not sure if I can help in any other way. I will try Real Milk Australia - perhaps.
Thank you and regards,
Janusz Swiatczak
Feb 6th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Hi there, so glad to have read all these posting. I am desperately seeking raw milk (straight out of a cow with nothing added or deleted or put through any processing). I do not need it for any consumption reasons. I require it for religious practice.
I am in Victoria and would higly appreciate details of any one who can supply raw cow/goat milk.
with thanks.
Richa
Feb 19th, 2007 at 10:25 am
I live in Sydney am extremely keen to start using raw milk - any news of a co-op down this way?
Thanks for all your great work!
Rachel.
Feb 19th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Rachel
Go to http://www.realmilkaustralia.com to register and help lobby the government for a regulated raw milk supply.
Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:23 pm
hi, I have been milking my own cow for about eight years now and have recently moved to a larger property that has an old dairy on it. I am very keen to start an organic milk herd share but dont know where to start or where to find interest. I live in QLD about 1 hour west of Gympie.
Any input would be much appreciated.
thanks for this great site !
Criselle Bice
Mar 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Hi, I live in Sydney and my husband and I are in the process of organising a group of people who want a regular order of the cleopatra’s bath milk. The delivery trucks are willing to do a drop in our area (Sutherland Shire), so long as we order a minimum of 2 crates, which is 18 x 2L (9 x 2L per crate). So far I have enough people to order exactly 2 crates, but the more people we get, the cheaper the milk becomes as the freight is divided between more people. If you are interested, or for more info, send me an email at katchi@optusnet.com.au
Mar 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Yes, just been listening to a raw milk supplier talking on US radio station RBNlive.com
Please bring your milk to the farmers’ markets up here on the Gold Coast!
Apr 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Hi
Recently, I had the opportunity to taste raw cow’s milk and the taste and flovour was amazing.
Would you know where in Sydney I could purchase raw cow’s milk apart from Alafalfa House in Newtown.
Apr 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Get in touch with Katrina for Cleopatra’s. There is a contingent looking to start a herd share. I’ll post as soon as they’ve set it up to let you all know.
Apr 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Hello all,
We farm a couple hours from melb milking a breed of cow that does not produce huge unsustainable amounts of milk, but boy is it tasty as drinking milk. We are always in top bracket for quality at factory but get paid less for ours than other farms that produce more (volume charge.. that is geared to suit mass production).
Very frustrating as you can imagine, thanks Joanne for the format to discuss. Would love to bring some milk to Melbourne free of charge so families and their friends could decide for themselves. Great to see it get of the ground down here so we could limit “food miles”.
P.s If the Aus dairy industry was really deregulated we wouldn’t have these barriers, hang in there all i can still remember when people could not sell free range eggs on the side of the road due to egg board regulations.
Apr 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Dear Joanne, I would just like to thank you so much. It was through your website that I found Bee Wilder, and since incorporating a lot of her plan into my life I am a new person. Thank you. I live in Melbourne and are interested in obtaining some raw milk, so am very excited to read the post from Murray. I would be prepared to travel to Murray, if he was willing to sell me some. I would have to freeze it tho’ as it is mainly for my little grandson to have when he comes once a week, and hopefully give him some to take home. Hope freezing the milk won’t destroy too much of the goodness. My mind is racing now thinking of those I can persuade to have some too, if Murray had enough. :)
Apr 15th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Hello Marion,
Thanks for the encouragement, and certainly would have enough, and hey like i said happy to provide for free so no implications as the law stands, would be good to get to town for a day as the drought can be a bit overwhelming after a while. Lots i could tell you about the way the industry is tilted to the big end of town but bettter to look towards the future and how we can get back to real food getting to real people.
Just a point of interest though(perhaps most already know) this months milk price to the ave farmer is 34c, so you can see it is the principle involved in providing a premium product and getting less than those that could not care less
Apr 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Anyone know where I could source raw milk in Newcastle NSW?
Apr 16th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Sorry, that was 34c per litre, and yes freezing is fine we do it with cream at times although some would be amazed that our friends often comment how wrappped they are that their milk is still going strong after 7 to 8 days wihout signs of turning. Another modern food myth busted.Cheers Murray
Apr 16th, 2007 at 8:48 am
“Turned” milk is actually better for adults than sweet milk. Never before refrigeration did adults drink sweet milk. We lose lactase production around 12 years old so need to predigest it with enzymes before consuming it. Doesn’t stop me from drinking a big glass every few days though - YUM. I think I’m catching up on missing out all those years. Kefir is good for souring it but you can also just sit it on the bench ’til it “turns” and drink it straight or use it in a smoothie.
Apr 16th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
This is true for the mayority of adults
- but danish sientists have found out that the maoyority of danes( 95 %) - and more than half of english, dutch and north german adults keep producing lactase after childhood !(A change of genes have made this possible)- Sorry if my english is a bit broken ;-) not my native language.
That is my guess why dairy consumption is pretty high in theese countries and why lactose problems are less common.
The cows next to my mum came out on grass this weekend -can´t wait for the dark yellow butter in a week or 2 ;-D
I have noticed that my organic milk ( sadly pasterized - but not high pasterized) last much longer than regular milk- even 3 or 4 days afterused by date the whole milk is fine- and when I turn it into kefir it last even longer.
Apr 28th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Apologies Murray for taking so long to reply. Been having computer problems and it has taken a wee while to reassure my DH that raw milk is a good thing. A few of my friends would love some raw milk also, so was wondering if you are still interested, and what you had in mind re coming to Melbourne. Do trust you have received a wonderful amount of rain from this last front that is coming through.
May 9th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
It’s ok Marion been a little busy ourselves. will be coming down this month, what about a new plastic 20 litre container full. Would that be enough? Let me know if you have a P.O box or leave a private mess on the real milk forum (emduk) Concern is not milk groupies just industry big brother types. And yes things are looking a lot greener since some rain, would love some more
May 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Hi. Murray I am keen to get on your list if interested people looking for raw organic milk.I am in country victoria, up near Marysville, but also in Melbourne weekly. Not sure how to use this site to get your info. Rgds, heidi
May 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Hello Joanne,
I’m very interested in raw cream and butter ,which I used to get from Pat McCarthy up near Toowoomba, however the drought has curtailed his dairying unfortunately. I live about an hour from Byron.
May 21st, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Graeme
The only raw milk you can get here is the Cleopatra’s raw milk from the local health food shops. We are hoping for a dairy farmer to show up (the other one fell through) who wants to do a herd share. Emily, the Weston A Price chapter leader for Lismore is looking for one also.
Please, anyone around our area who knows a dairy farmer, ask them if they want to do a herd share with us.
Joanne
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Hello Heidi,
Hang in there, things are on the move so stay tuned. Doing a delivery this weekend with further to follow when proper arrangements are in place. Special thanks to Joanne for “connecting” us with Maree. It all sounds ultra promising
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Hi I’ve been using raw goat’s milk in Adelaide but would love to switch to raw cow’s - I ‘ll contact real milk Australia about it. I’ve contacted a biodynamic farm who said that they used to sell it but it was made illegal in SA.
At the moment I either kefir the cow’s milk or add junket powder to help predigest it. Unfortunately you can’t get junket powder or tablets in the supermarket anymore but if anyone is interested you can email info@simplyjunket.com.
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Oops that email should be
info@simplyjunket.com
with no full stop at the end.
May 26th, 2007 at 12:46 am
Marie, I get raw cows milk and divine cream in Adelaide can let you know if you are keen. Email me off list nicolebrammy@tne.net.au might see you at Sally Fallon?
May 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Hi Murray, glad to know you have got some deliveries in Melbourne when you come down, as the timing has not turned out too good for me, at present, to get the milk. All the best.
Jun 13th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
We have been drinking Cleo’s milk now (our choice, of course!) for about 6 months. My daughter is very sensitive to pasterised milk (2 sips of her Nanny’s tea which used pasterised milk and she started reacting!) but is OK on raw milk (so I make our own icecream, buttermilk, sour cream, keffir, etc) and even DH won’t drink anything else now.
We are from Brisbane and I heard there was a herdshare up here - could you point me in the right direction please?
Natalie
Jun 17th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Natalie, Julie Phillips, the Brisbane Chapter leader for the Weston A Price Foundation, has give me the details of the herd share contact. Please email me through the contact form on this site.
Jun 20th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Do you know where we can get raw milk in Perth WA. Thanks.
Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Tracey,
I’ve managed to google up:
http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/prodPerth.php
which lists a few places in Freo which might have it. Also on that page:
Real Milk: Organic milk available from Peaches in South Fremantle.
A source of raw milk may be available by phoning Viharo on 08 9331 2607.
Good luck.
Jun 29th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
I just read thru the realmilkaustralia.com website. Am I incorrect in thinking that “Real Milk” is just another organisation that will “certify” certain milk producers? Much like the Organic or BioDynamic certification agencies.What we really need, I believe, is the right to choose our own products for consumption. Not just another regulator under a different guise. I may be wrong. Please correct me if I am.
What I’d like to see is a TRUE C.S.A system in place, where the farmer, be it meat or dairy, has a real relationship with the local consumer.
We’re all on about being environmentally friendly, and the CSA system would cut out not only transpoetation costs, but also the corporate middlemen, so the farmer could get more for his produce, delivered to the consumer at (probably) massive savings.
Jul 1st, 2007 at 9:34 am
If you are looking for chemical free pasture fed Bath Milk and Body Cream (and soon Body Butter) in Melbourne email me on aicoaching@bigpond.com. We have a drop off in East Melbourne for family and friends each Tuesday.
Jul 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Sorry the email above should read aicoaching@bigpond.com
Jul 1st, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I’m wondering if Tracey has had any luck sourcing raw milk in Perth, I’d be very interested in any info you may have found/ thx
Jul 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Dear crrrock,
“Real Milk Australia” is a not-for-profit campaign to see the legislation put in place to allow the sales of healthy organically fed unpasturised milk in Australia. This would be achieved through some kind of certification process that ensures that the milk is healthy. We are not seeking access to unpasturised milk from any old dairy out of the devondale tankers, rather milk that is sourced from a healthy farm where cows eat grass. Real Milk/Real Milk Australia are not selling or certifying the milk.
Joshua
Jul 2nd, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Crrrock, cool name to type. I totally agree with you re: CSAs. Infact, that’s the only way I see raw milk working. I don’t know how their going in Melbourne with the Cleopatras Bath Milk. Unless they freeze it and send it, it’s bound to sour. You can’t transport raw milk without it souring. It’s the jiggling apparently. So here’s my vision: All Australians sourcing real milk from real farmers at real farmer’s markets - all over the country. Every dairy herd is connected directly with it’s neighbouring humans. Kewl dream hey!
Jul 9th, 2007 at 11:38 am
anybody close to parramatta or seven hills distributing the Cleopatra milk? i live in seven hills and if anyone close by or round abouts is interested in starting up a weelkly order (need to order 2 crates of 9 x 2 litre bottles) then i would be most interested in hearing from you.
corey hunter: yeroch@optusnet.com.au
thanks
* this is a wondeful website by the way - so much info it’s great!
Jul 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
I am in Brisbane, and would like to know where to get in touch with the Herd Share program people? What are the contact details? I have been looking around for this for months now. Can someone show me how to get the contacts? Thanks.
Jul 16th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
I am interested in raw milk. We did have a supplier in Coffs Harbour where I live, but they no longer have enough left to sell direct to the public. Does any one know where I could get any raw dairy (milk, cheese etc) from this area or on the internet.
Any help will be much apprecieated.
Jul 20th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Hi! What a great magazine! I am from the Adelaide Hills and want to source some Raw Milk. I am also extremely interested in being part of a herd share. Is there anything underway at this stage? Cheers!
Jul 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Thanks Olivia. I will email the person who left the message about Adelaide. See if they’ve gotten anywhere. Will get back to you.
Angie, try Julie Phillips, Weston A Price Chapter Leader for Brisbane. She will get you in touch with who you need to contact. Her email is foods[at]ihug[dot]com[dot]au.
Jul 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Hi!
A source of delicious 100% organic unpasteurised jersey milk is available in Victoria through Aphrodite Bath Milk. They sell their milk through a number of health food stores which are listed on their website. http://www.aphroditedairy.com/
Sep 13th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
For those on Sydney’s Northern Beaches, Cleopatra’s Bath Milk is available in Manly. Specifically at Pure Wholefoods 10 Darley Road Manly.
Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Hi there!!
I just wondered if there was any news on a herd / cow share program in the Adelaide Hills. Or even if anybody knows of a Jersey Dairy farm that would be happy to sell milk direct in the hills. Cheers!!
Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Good News
Aphrodite Bath Milk is now available in NSW at the Alfalfa House in Newtown, and some other places. Well worth trying, genuine certified organic, grass fed from a single herd. Awesome REAL milk - you will be surprised how good it is - as they say “MILKS AIN’T MILKS!”
Sep 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
how is a herd share formed? I would like to form one in my local area.
Sep 18th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Wes and I are working on herdshare.com. We’ll let you know when it’s up and running. Mean time, check out http://www.realmilk.com
Sep 21st, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I am interested, but I live in Sydney.
Sep 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Great news! We hope this means that raw butter will be available.
Sep 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Thanks Joanne,
I am grateful to hear there is someone organising herd share in this area. I am from Alstonville and very much interested by the project. Please keep me posted with your progress.
Oct 3rd, 2007 at 8:10 pm
I am intereasted to get raw milk about 100 kg for my researches, but not organic milk any one can help
Thanks.
Oct 10th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Hi There,
You are damn right. I was brought up on good quality clean real milk in India and for 24 years I have had no issues and loved my 2 glasses of milk daily. I was a fool to belive that pasturized milk is good for me. No wonder I see so many problems eating all processed food for the past 6 years. I would love to get my RAW milk if I can get it somewhere close by to Ferntree Gully Victoria. Pls let me know if there is any suppliers for the same closeby.
Thank you for this great eyeopener.
Rajiv
Oct 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Hi
I was wanting to connect with Murray the farmer. Where do you live? I’m in Bendigo & wonder if that is the area of Victoria you are in.
Otherwise I’d be keen to hear from anyone who is in Central Victoria and would be willing to supply raw milk for my ‘beauty regime’! I understand that Cleopatra & Aphrodite Bath Milk products are possibilities too.
Until yesterday I didn’t think sourcing raw milk was going to happen but I feel I’ve stumbled on a secret world! As they say ‘where there’s a will there’s a way’ and I love everyone’s committment and responsibility to their health. Would love to hear when a herd share project gets up & running.
Oct 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
I live in Turramurra and would also be interested in sharing cleopatras milk with anyone local
Oct 21st, 2007 at 6:19 pm
If you are on the north end of the northern beaches in Sydney, Searl’s health food shop in Avalon stocks Cleopatra’s milk.
Oct 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Hi to everyone out there. Joanne I am just in the process of starting up an ice cream and yogurt business using organic and hopefully local products. I am located in the Byron Shire. From what I have read I gather that is probably illegal for me to make ice cream from raw milk to sell to the general public? I really want to get involved with the farmers markets but have been told a the local dairy I want to get my milk from needs to be registered with the farmers organization. I really want to offer a healthy alternative for people who enjoy ice cream and yogurt. Can you help me.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 11:49 am
Joanne, I am interested in investing in the herd share.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 11:55 am
My mum was brought up on a farm with her 7 brothers and sisters and ate nothing but food grown on the farm and drinking good ole fashioned milk straight from the cow to the kitchen. I remember as a child loving spending my school holidays on the farm and drinking loads of Nana’s milk from her cows and watching her milk the cows. It is funny, even though I didn’t know the logistics behind the differences in the farm and commercial milk, as a child I naturally developed a tendency to want and enjoy the raw milk alot more than commercial milk.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Rose, to operate outside the system is problematic for sure. I’d suggest you use pasteurised cream for your ice cream until RealMilkAustralia.com has achieved their goal of certifying raw milk in Australia. Since cream is lower in proteins and still contains many of the nutrients real milk has in it, using it will suffice for now. (CLA is missing, calcium is harder to assimilate, but Vit A and D are still present) We would recommend your product if you used real egg yolk and rapadura sugar (not refined in any way), honey or maple syrup. Yoghurt is cooked anyway so I can’t see why you would be required to start with pasteurised milk. I get yoghurt from a local dairy which has been made from the raw milk. It’s beautiful. I’m pretty sure she sells to businesses locally.
Your idea sounds great and may work in with the herd share. I’ll send you an email offline about it.
Oct 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
our ice cream only uses real egg yolks and also we are using maple syrup, agarve syrup and rapadura as sweeteners. It tastes great and is exciting to produce something that can be an alternative to those people out there who like a treat but who are also conscious about their health and the health of the environment. Thanks for replying to my inquiry.
Oct 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Hi Rose
Where do you sell that delicious tasting icecream? I will be in Byron Bay next weekend & would love to find out where I can taste test.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 9:35 am
There is a health food shop in Bellingen 40 min drive south of Coffs Harbour that supplies Cleopatra’s Bath milk and frozen raw goats milk. I dont like the taste of goats milk much but boy oh boy have I been sleeping good after drinking it. I have never had fresh goats milk so I am guessing freezing it alters the taste. Here is there website: http://www.kombuwholefoods.com.au/acatalog/shop-news.html
I always phone them to make sure they have fresh bath milk in stock before I go for the drive.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Lowanna, the owner of that shop is a friend of ours. Hello Lowanna. She is indeed very wise with the choices she makes in her shop. It would be great if a dairy close to her decided to provide unpasteurised milk through a herd share. The customers are already there.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
I just came accross another Organic shop that sells Cleopatra’s bath milk and frozen raw goats milk in Coffs Harbour. They are situated down the jetty area. Here is their web address: http://www.thelittlelarder.com.au/
Orders have to be in by wednesday and it is sold in the normal 2 litre milk bottles.. They recieve the fresh milk on Fridays and are also open Saturday.
I think the main reason we dont see raw milk being sold legally for drinking today is that the government cannot tax such an easily produced natural product. The poorer half of the world bred up on raw milk are alot healthier and live longer than Westerners these days which is because we are eating highly processed foods our bodies were never designed to digest or function on. I know for a fact that drinking raw cow’s milk will help you lose weight, sleep better and function better. I think the government wants to brainwash city folks into thinking that it is extremely dangerous to drink raw cow’s milk, this way they have them under their thumb having them think pastuerized is the only option. Now they control the milk industry and apply heavier taxes to it each year. If time brought taxes as high as the taxes on cigarrets to milk then a black market would start in the raw milk drinkers, Why would you pay such taxes on something so easily produced. Pastuerized milk drinkers have no option but to buy it. If all people in Australia knew how healthy it was to have raw milk and how easy it is for your stomach digest, they would demand it ! I do ! My granparents were always healthy on it, and both grandmothers lived well into there 90’s without walking sticks or the likes. Another thing is that its rediculous smokes are allowed to be sold when its apperantly the highest cause of death in the western world.. Raw milk never had these figures or anything even like it yet raw milk is banned and smokes are legal… Just goes to show how much money the government is making out of smokes.. Roughly $10 out of every pack sold. Public demand may see smokes banned in the future although the government has a new strategy in place to hook elderly bored people with money into playing pokie’s !!! Pokie’s are designed for revenue.. NOT PAYOUTS !!!!
Nov 1st, 2007 at 11:17 am
iv been experimenting with diets for ten years now, at one point i was on what is called a primal diet, consisting mainly of raw meats and dairy green juices, i did it for three years , became very robust and healthy but would go through awful detox. in the end the detox became overwhelming to the point of scareing me off the diet. i went back to eating junk for years, now im returning back to healthful eating,but want a gentle approuch that is effective, im curiose about Sally fullons perspective? im going to purchase her book and try it out. i currently consume three bottles of Cleo raw milk each week(made into unheated yogurt), which i get from
info@abundantorganics.com.au, they are in the penrith area but deliver sydney wide including the blue mountains.
however they do not stock raw cream, cheese or butter. I live in the blue mountains (springwood) and would like to source these raw products or partake in a heard share program, any one know of some contacts?
thanks in advance
Nov 1st, 2007 at 11:45 am
Nick, hopefully the herd share idea will spread and people will go for it. Especially since there is so much controversy over selling raw milk through health food shops. We can sell you Sally Fallon’s book. We haven’t finished the shop but have stock. Send me an email through the contact form above and I’ll get a copy to you pronto.
Welcome to the Nourished Community. Good to have you here. I’d love to hear more about your primal diet experience. Was you detox like what Wes and I experienced on the Real Raw Milk Cure.
Nov 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
It is such a wonderful product, I have a friend who consumes it here in Victoria. Unfortunately they live in the Gippsland area, a little too far for me to get milk on a regular basis. Is there anywhere closer to the city to purchase raw milk? I am in the Belgrave area.
Nov 6th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Joanne, my detox was very extreem over three years i went in and out of what was supposedly detox, i have my doubts as each time it came back the symptoms got worse, this diet was extreem, i was eating 2 litres of raw turned
milk every day, one and a half litres of green juice(parsely,celery and other greens) ,1 to 2 kgs of raw meat each day,
avocado’s , tomatoes, and small amounts of fruit like oranges, papaya etc. some stages of the diet i was eating the meat turned(green). there were times where i felt intensly alive and my body and complexion was transforming, but other times i would become very sick, once i had such intense pain in my kidneys i could not get out of bed for two days, i litraly thought i was going to die. the less intense detox consisted of just extreem sleepiness where i would have to sleep no matter where i was. after three years on this diet there were more days of detox than feeling good,
my teeth started to bleed at the gums, become loose and i had foul breath(halitoses). This was the symptoms that broke my resilience, i contacted the Auther of the primal diet(Arjunus Vandaplanitz) he told me that the toxins being released into my blood stream from the detox where cancling out essential vitimans and minerals .He prescribed large Quantities of Cabbage Juice, i tryed this for about a month with no success, Doubt, fear and mistrust got the better of me and i gave up the diet, went back to eating junk, felt better within days. i would never know what the outcome would have been if id kept going and i still dont know if it was detox or just my body telling me this way of eating is not healthy. Incedently i had a freind start the primal diet at the same time as me, he was more lazy with it and only ate meat and nothing else, that was ten years ago and he is still to this day is on the diet eating only meat every day. He looks reasnobly healthy and strong in the body(complexion is always a bit off though) and seems to be existing Quite well on it. its hard to say if it is working for him as i dont know how he would look if he had spent the ten years eating a normal diet.
however for me cooked food is a central (pleasurable)shareing experience with friends and family. These things considered along with my past experiences with extreem diets, i am on the search for a way of eating that is nurturing and supportive to my health, lifestyle and spirit. There are so many diets on the internet, with so many concepts and theorys of what is the best or most natural way to eat(check out Blindguru.com for example). This abundance of information is overwhelming, everybody seems to contradict each other( exept for some key points regarding refined carbs).
i am now just experimenting and will find out what works through seeing the effects over time, i have just been trying the Anti Estrogenic diet by Ori Hofmekler, my body became very toned and well built but my complexion and eyes became pale with dark rings beneath them?
so now i am going to try using the princibles of the western.a. price foundation, i have sourced some raw butter, cheese,cream and milk, organic grass fed meat, offal , Sour Dough bread (bills organics),as well as a small portion of organic naturaly preserved(nitrate free) smoked bacon and sausage(Eumundi Smokehouse). I have been consuming all these foods along with some organic fruit and veg this week. i have been feeling nuasius with a head ache and reflux during the day( iv been eating the bread in the mornings and lunch which iv cut it out today to see if that helps) but at night iv been feeling quite energitic after a meal of just vegitables, meat, fat, fruit.
iv noticed that over the last week since eating this way i have lost muscle tone and some weight, which concerns me as i am 6ft 5 and lose wieght very easy. im not interested in losing weight only to be healthy
my throat feels as if im about to get a cold, yet i havent got one.
the other thing iv noticed is my stools have lost thier bulk and do not feel very good.
i have some Questions…
* does this diet make your body go into ketosis, iv heard that that is not good for your body
* on the western.a. price web site it advises to avoid frying foods yet the sample menu’s of the members all include frying every day?
*how much grain products are recomended to eat per day, is it acceptable to eat sour dough bread made from a commercial bakery. ie one that hasnt soaked the whole grain first and milled it themself.(do you know of a bakery that does do this)?
*does it take time for your body to adapt to eating so much fat, would this be why im experiencing nausea and reflux?
i will probably have many more Questions over the coming weeks, i have orded Sally’s two books, so they may answer many of my Questions however they wont arive for 14 days. in the meantime it would be good if there was a way to get some support.
does this site have any Question and Answer forum, iv seen the “Ask Sally” section however cannot see any way to post a Question?
thanks
im looking forward to reading Sally’s Book and implementing here ideas
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Nick, send me an email with your questions for Sally once you have received her book. (You’ll probably answer most yourself as you read.) As to your current questions:
Design your diet so it doesn’t make you go into ketosis. ie. protein and fat and carbohydrates. I think the WAPF says to avoid fried foods because they are usually fried in vegetable oil. A new fangled oil never used by humans before industrialisation. Yes it does take time for your body to adapt to eating fat. Use Swedish bitters when experiencing nausea and add bitter greens to every meal. If it continues, however, check your liver function with a practitioner.
Your journey sounds amazing. Have you thought about starting a blog?
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:53 am
thanks for your reply Joanne, when you say bitter greens do you mean dark green leafy vegitables like parsely and kale
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:53 am
thanks for your reply Joanne, when you say bitter greens do you mean dark green leafy vegitables like parsely and kale
Nov 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
yep and dandelion, endive, spinach and rocket etc. Spinach should be cooked the others are ok raw.
Nov 6th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
thank you for your answers Joanne, i have one other question…do you know of a bakery that i can get sourdough bread that has been made from freshly milled soaked grains?
Nov 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Nick
In a sour dough bread it would even be ok using grains that have not been soaked prior to milling… due to the very long rising time of the dough in a acid environment.
Nov 8th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Have the guide lines for starting a herd share available yet? I live i country victoria and would love to start one.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Can someone help me answer a question please? I have a sick daughter and have only just started buying Cleopatra’s milk. I need to buy it in bulk and freeze it. Is it OK to freeze it in 2 litre plastic bottles? ( I read somewhere that freezing in plastic isn’t good???)and how do you stop it going “lumpy” when you defrost it ?(my daughter won’t drink it with the lumps!!) Thankyou!
Nov 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Hi Nick,
Good to hear of someone else in Australia following Aajonus’s Primal Diet. I thought I was flying solo here. I’ve followed the diet for about 2 years with great results and have not suffered anywhere near the detox symptoms that you describe, only one major episode (lasting about 2 weeks) and lots of minor stuff which I often welcome. I guess the degree of symptoms experienced is relative to your levels of toxicity and also your ability to tolerate them. I’m somewhat disappointed that you elected to stop the Primal diet when it appears that it was working just as it was intended, however in my opinion you are on the right track in following WAPF principles if you require a more social approach to nutrition. Interestingly, one of your questions suggests that you have experienced nausea and reflux due to increasing your fat intake as suggested in Nourishing Traditions. The Primal Diet requires huge amounts of fat ( in fact Aajonus suggests liberal consumption of raw butter, coconut cream or eggs with virtually every meal), so it seems odd that you are only now sourcing raw butter and cream. I eat so much of these items (even by Sally’s standards) that it would be impossible for me to consume any more. This could explain your inability to deal with debilitating detox symptoms, as explained in Aajonus’s weight gain/weight loss cycles in order to remove deep toxicity within fat stores.
I have good experience with both Aajonus’s and Sally’s diets so feel free to discuss these matters either openly on this forum or personally if you prefer. As Joanne rightly suggests, Nourishing Traditions is compulsory reading.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Welcome Scott. Thanks so much for the clarity. Your experience with Aajanous’s work is very valuable. Thank you for sharing it and please feel free to continue to do so. I’ll endeavour to follow up Aajonous for a contribution to a future edition of the mag. Meantime, have you thought of starting a Nourishing Blog. I’m sure the community would benefit from your experiences as perhaps you would from sharing.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Derek,
To stop lumpy defrosted milk thaw slowly in fridge and blend with hand held or upright blender. The cream should re-emulsify. Sally Fallon corrected me recently when I told a friend that freezing milk kills some enzymes. In fact it doesn’t harm the nutritional quality of milk at all. If your child is immune depressed, may I suggest you try giving her Kefir for a while to ensure she slowly rebuilds helpful bacteria. You can make quite nice smoothies with fruit and honey.
Amy, check the realmilk.com website for herd share agreements that are currently in use in US. we would need to change them slightly for local law. you’ll need to employ a lawyer. Join RealMilkAustralia.com to add your voice to those who are trying to legalise raw milk and create a certification system.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Thanks for your help Joanne. I take it as far as you know it’s OK to Freeze in the plastic bottles?
Nov 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
hey scott, thanks for the invite , my friend is still on the primal diet, mabey we all could get togther some time and share our experiences, who knows you may inspire me to try it again, i hear what you say regarding the fats, i was really struggling to get enough fats, back then i could not source the raw cream and butter. Do you live any where near Sydney, i live in the blue mountains.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Yes Nick, I live in Camden in Sydney’s south west so a meeting could be easily arranged. I would enjoy meeting with both you and your friend. Joanne’s suggestion of starting a blog on the subject of The Primal Diet sounds great. I’ll definitely do it soon. I too beleive the information is invaluabe for anyone who regards nutrition as of primary importance. A contribution to Nourished Magazine by Aajonus would greatly benefit all involved as his principles largely support those of WAPF especially regarding raw dairy and the importance of fats.
Joanne, I was very intersted in your exploits with the Real raw milk cure. I have the same degree of ‘experimental duty’ as yourself, believing it to be neccessary to try these things first hand in order to discover the real benfits, and hopefully influence others to do the same. I was most interested that you chose to perform the diet with kefir as I too have found it much more beneficial (from a digestion/assimilation point of view) to use kefir when consuming large amounts (in excess of 1 litre perday) rather than plain raw milk. I have propagated kefir grains and their products (including raw cheeses), originally sourced from Dom, for about 2 years, and would thoroughly recommend that everyone do so.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Hi everyone,
I just found this site and love the awareness and information here. I have an interesting story regarding the Primal Diet. A friend was on this diet very closely for a number of years. Lots of raw eggs, raw milk, raw butter, raw cheese, raw cream, raw beef, raw fish, green juice every morning, some nuts and small amounts of fruit, very minimal grains, lots of raw honey, coconut cream, avocado - only he had salads every day which AV (Aajonus) is not keen on. Also a small amount of cooked meat (organic, free range, grass fed etc) with coconut oil. No processed food whatsoever, no tea, no coffee, no junk, no sugar, occasional glass of wine. He also exercised regularly and has no chemicals in personal care products, cleaning etc. He should have been an absolute picture of health according to the AV principles, BUT developed Type 2 Diabetes on this program. Of course he fits none of the currently accepted data on the Type 2 Diabetes profile - is very thin and fit, under 40, and only eats a whole foods diet. Very interesting isn’t it?? If you read data on Diabetes such as The China Study, it of course links dairy and animal protein to Diabetes - but doesn’t differentiate between raw and processed or cooked, as no studies usually do. Wouldn’t you just love to get AV and Dr. Campbell in the one room and let them debate it out :-) I had a lot of interest in The Primal Diet until this, so am now reserving my judgement :-) A group on the Gold Coast almost had AV here for workshops and consultations last year, but he pulled out at the last minute - if there is another group organising it, then there are groups of about 20-30 people following the program on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane that would be interested in seeing him. I would love to read peoples comments on the above :-)
Nov 11th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
So nice to see people coming together via the site. Makes me smile with pride.
Scott, I wish I was still on the Real Raw Milk Cure. I miss the clarity. Kefirred Milk is superior nutritionally and assimilation wise but sweet raw milk is so-o-o-o yummy. Dom told us that taking the Kefir grains out and storing the fermented milk in the fridge for a few more days increases the nutrient value especially niacin if I remember correctly.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Thats very true. The longer your kefir ‘ripens’ under air lock the greater the nutrient value of the final product. It also takes on a much more effervescent and sour character. I let some ripen and drink some semi-sweet for variety. Flavourings also work well, especially Dom’s kefir de’pollen, where bee pollen is added prior to ripening, again adding further nutritional qualities, and flavour. Your right though Joanne, nothing quite beats fresh raw sweet milk for taste. Oh, and don’t forget that the actual kefir grains themselves have remarkable health giving properties, so when your batch swells to more than you can handle, make sure to experiment with ways in which you can consume them (such as blended in smoothies etc), or just eat them as is.
Nov 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Leisa I can´t help thinking that :
I don´t believe that we ALL have the same genetic make up or that we all need the same amounts of meat, grains etc…..in out diet- I think it is a very individual thing
( I know that N.T don´t agree with me here,
but I combine the principles from NT with blood-type diet ( and soon I´ll use the new genotype book from Dr D´adamo.)
BUT If this guy was a blood-type A or AB - he would NOT benefit from so much meat and dairy - even raw,
if he was type B or in some ways type O - it would be ok and he would have been very fit…
One type diet do not fit all: I got very fat and sick from a low fat vegan diet… my friend lost weight and felt fine
( but did eventual switch to lacto ovo diet)
In Denmark the doctors tell us that:
more than 3 servings of “4-legged” meat pr week - gives 50 % of the population an increased risk of cancer !!
They say they don´t know who - but that peoples genetic make up differ and one day they will know who….
Well according to the cancer registrant here: type A and AB has a much higher risk of developing cancer than type B and O…
and that fits pretty good with BTD that says that type A and AB should get their protein from 2 legged animals , fish, egg, beans, nuts and small amounts of fermented dairy
and aprox 50 % of the population in DK is A or AB… so ?!
Surveys should always been looked at carefully!
maybe there is a reason why 1 size diet does not FIT all !
Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Thank you again Joanne, and everyone, all the comments are so helpful in this journey of health. I am needing some direction, and all of you in your various comments are helping to build a picture of where I am to go next. God bless you.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:45 am
To veronica,
check MacAdam square in Croydon hills
Nov 13th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Hi Leisa
I’m sorry to hear about your friend developing Type 2 Diabetes.
I believe we are all unique and what will be fabulous diet & lifestyle wise for one person won’t work for another. This may mean careful experimenting and tweaking for you in whatever you choose.
I am exploring the blood type diet principles and wanted to quote this from the introduction because for me it captures the angst there is in getting it ‘right’…
“One of the main reasons people get turned off to diets is that the plans are so often cloaked in righteousness. There’s a ‘my way or the highway’ tone to them that leaves people jittery and afraid to diverge even the tiniest bit for fear of falling off their imaginery wagon…the right dietary program is one that you grow into, not one that you jump into all in one day. It should feel comfortable and right, not like a straitjacket…there will always be individual variations according to your height, weight, age, physical condition, and the availability of food… In order for you to truly eat the way nature intended, it has to feel natural…life is too short to worry about the pinch of cinnamon that’s the eighth ingredient in your favourite recipe.”
Eat joyfully and health will follow. Go well.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 10:45 am
What I meant to say about the quote is that it captures for me why there is no need to be angst ridden about food and getting it ‘right’. Maybe it’ll ring true for others too.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Leisa, this article may be of interest to your friend. Food is not the only contributor to disease.
http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/uranium-mercury-and-diabetes
Nov 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
I agree we need to look further than just food- outside influences like pollution is really a big part of the picture.
BTW Miranda well spoken :-)
I agree:
I don´t worry about cinnamon in my cake ( I am a B)
But I know now why ryebread (even sourdough) always made such a mess with me or why chicken left me constipated.
It is just a step on the ladder- might not be completely true but far better than the SAD diet most westerns follow.
Jan 25th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Hi, I am looking for raw cow or goat’s milk in the Southern Highlands of NSW (about 1 hour south of Sydney) Is there any source that you know of around our area?
Feb 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Ingrid, I live in the Southern Highlands. A friend of mine was getting raw milk from somewhere around Moss Vale but it is no longer available. She is now thinking of organising a share cow. I am interested in this too so will let you know if it goes any further. Otherwise, I have seen Cleopatra’s bath milk in that new organic shop (Wild Foods?) in Bowral, but it is expensive.
Let me know if you have any luck and I will do the same.
Mar 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
What a brilliant group! I’m so glad to find you all!
I’m in Canberra and would be very interested in a cow share arrangement, or would welcome the opportunity to share in a bulk purchase of raw milk. We have five children so need more raw milk than I can afford to buy from local health food stores.
Mar 27th, 2008 at 11:03 am
We have hundreds of people interested, based on the Gold Coast. Please keep us informed
Apr 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Scott, I’d love to hear more about exactly one eats on the primal diet. I keep reading about it, but still am n0t clear what one would typically eat in a day - would you mind sharing what you eat for example, and exactly what sort of cuts of meat and how they are prepared? thanks heaps. Im just very curious!
Apr 6th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I’d like to know if there is any movement or progress in the Yass, Young, Harden, Cowra of NSW. Thanks
Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I have been on primal diet for over a year. No eggs, coconut or dairy.
Ive fell of the wagon a bit lately but hope to get back on. I think I was eating way to much fat. I am going to make a few changes.
Apr 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
If a diet makes you sick - stop it! Your body does not need to detox. A healthy diet is supposed to make you feel healthy. It is called “nourishment” for a reason. You are supposed to feel nourished, body and soul. Blood type diets and primal diets are not useful or nourishing diets, and have people twisted up in knots and even very ill, when we could be enjoying food and life with healthy nourishing foods and the people we love. That is what I like about WAP principles - it is possible to live in a healthy way, feel nourished, and enjoy your food. Any diet that makes you so sick you have to force yourself to stay on it is a diet that is not for you! Life is too short! Now please excuse me while I go and have a nice piece of homemade bread with cultured butter and raw honey. Mmmmmmmm!!!!
Apr 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
i am interested in raw milk in Canberra, share a cow !
May 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Hello,
I am looking for raw milk, cheese, butter in Melbourne. Please, help. Or raw goats milk.
Thank you if anyone can advise where to get it.
Tatiana
May 3rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Tatiana, contact Sallie from Aphrodite Bath Milk.
http://aphrodite.nourished.com.au
May 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Hi,
Live in Melbourne - Ascot Vale to be precise and would like to know where or how I can get a hold of raw milk.
Does anyone distribute here.
Generally do health food shops, organic supermarkets that kind of establishment stock this?
Thanks
Kim
May 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Hi Kim,
These are the stockists in Melbourne. http://www.aphroditedairy.com/about
I have had some lovely Bath Milk from Sunny-Brook Health Store in Ormond, and got some delivered by a lovely lady from another shop but have forgotten which one now.
Marion
May 5th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
To Kim
Check out the Aphrodite Bath Milk site. That will give you an idea of where you can get bath milk in Melb. Also I went to the Farmers Market at the Abbortsford Convent recently (next one is 24 May from 8am) and bought some bath milk from a stall. The contact is Simon Schltz of Schultz Organic Farms,T: 03 5598 4249 or E: schulzorganicfarms@gmail.com. He was also selling Organic Yoghurt & Quark. The bath milk came in 1 & 2 litre quantities, price was about $6-7 for 2 litres, which seems to be the average price for this product.
To Tatiana
Re raw goats milk contact Wayne & Wendy Whitby at jwwhitby@bigpond.com They run a goat dairy in north western Victoria.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Thanks to everyone.
Kim, I live in Aascot Vale too. I asked the healthfood store in Coles to order the Aphrodite milk for me. They said they’ll see and will get back to me within the next few days. If we are lucky, we get the milk in Ascot Vale!
I also ordered the Aphrodite milk and butter from http://www.organicworks.com.au
Cheers,
Tatiana
May 6th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
If you are in or around Canberra I have been negotiating with Aphrodite Dairy in trying to get their milk, butter, cream and yoghurt delivered to our area but as yet I don’t seem to have enough numbers (I have approx 12 people at this stage) for them to be comfortable in sending it here. So if you are interested please let me know and hopefully together we can get it here as so far we are only able to get Cleos milk and it is extremely difficult to get on a list for it as supply isn’t meeting current demands. My email is thenourisher(at)optusnet(dot)com(dot)au
Cheers Jodie
May 27th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Hi there,
I live near Murwillumbah and would be keen to join a herd share in the Byron Shire… is there anything up and running at preent?
Cheers
Chrissy
May 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
herdshare.com is now live. Australian readers can subscribe to learn more about herdshares and be informed when one pops up near you. The Byron Region herdshare will be the first to be set up then Lismore and Gold Coast are keen. Sign up and you’ll find out more.
Jun 21st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I have been buying Cleopatras bath milk for years and now cant find it in any of my organic shops. Fundies no longer getting it as been told it is all being shipped to NSW - from Gympie!!!What about the consumers in Queensland. Please someone tell me where in Brisbane I can get raw milk now
Jun 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Well, Joanne, if oyu can let me know when NSW wales or more specifically Sydney is getting in on the herd share, thing, I’ll be grateful. I have signed up for herd share anyway. i AM JUST WONDERING WE ARE PLANNING A MOVE UP TO tOOWOOMBA SOMETIME MAYBE. iS THERE ALREADY A HERSHARE INPLACE?
Jun 23rd, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Ph sorry, for the capital letters. I had caps lock on at the time, but had accidnetally submitted my comment.
Jun 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Joining herdshare.com is a great first step, Mum. When you get to Toowoomba, you can spread the word and build a co-operative there. The new herdshare.com website will have many ways you can do that.
Jun 24th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Would love to have a reg supply in the Bondi area.
Jun 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Totally interested in buying the milk and anything else that is community, organically grown. Please let me know when its starting. Even just a good farmers market around Cabarita Beach that I could trust would be appreciated. Ahhr this is so refreshing!
Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:26 am
rob dr earth in bondi junction supplies cleopatra bath milk. It sells out pretty soon after it arrives so you will need to pick it up mondays after 12.00
Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Was recently told by the supplier of cleopatra milk in sydney that the demand is so strong they have resorted to mixing the raw milk with A2 pasturized milk to beef up supply…Im seeking 100% raw milk in sydney can anyone help?
Jul 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Hi Chris, I find that hard to believe. If the cleo milk was mixed with pasteurised milk, they would lose 99% of their customers…
Jul 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Katrina.. hard to believe yes not to mention disapointing..i used to buy cleo milk from dr earth in bondi ..when it first came out it used to be a caramell coulour and just recently i had noticed the coulour change from caramell to almost white and the consistency used to be thicker and now a bit watery ..So i mentioned this to the girl at the shop along with the fact that i was feeding my new born son this milk as part of a formula i got off weston a price website ..she said to me i shouldnt really say anything but the milk isnt 100% raw & because of demand they are mixing it with procesed milk & she didnt think i should be giving it to my son ..my wife and i were shocked and now feed the bubs bellamys formula.hard to believe ? maybe do what i did and tell them its a life and death situation & you need 100% raw milk ..you might just get the same answer..peace
Jul 8th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Hi Chris,
You may want to try the Aphrodite Bath Milk. This is certified organic unblended milk, from a single herd of grass fed (nearly all) Jersey cows, who are treated with respect and lovingly milked on a regular schedule. We have tried almost all the bath and herdshare milk on the market, and have satisfied ourselves that the Aphrodite milk has the quality and integrity that reflects the Weston A Price recommendations. You will find it in NSW (and also in QLD at Northey Street markets) - check the website for distributors in NSW, and try it and satisfy yourself. Keep well.
Jul 8th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I live on the Gold Coast and am picking up my Cleopatra’s milk today after work!! I am as yet uninitiated into the world of raw milk… I am so excited! I found out that you can get on a waiting list for Cleo’s Milk through a local health food store called Mrs Flannery’s (here are the store locations: http://www.mrsflannerys.com.au/stores/store-locations.htm). So if anyone is living in SE QLD, maybe you can get your hands on some. The man in the shop said the supply always increases in Spring when the cows are calving.
Jul 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Thanx vichka ..just got off the fone from ordering some aphrodite milk they assure me its 100% raw & not blendid and safe for little luca ..many thanx.. chris
Jul 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Cleopatra’s milk is real milk and the farming family would not give a microsecond thought to mixing milk. They would laugh at the stupidity of the allegation, as I do. I took the time to visit their farm and spent time understanding their quality standards. Their aim is to produce the highest standard real milk from their well cared for Jersey cows - not the poison put out by industrial farming practices and processing. Let’s not have the facts get in the way of a good (scare) story.
Jul 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I LOVE the milk! I have had raw goat’s milk before but after a day or two it tasted very ‘goaty’. I was kinda thinking the raw cow’s milk would taste ‘cowy’! Hahaha… Much to my delight it is yummy, creamy and tastes very familiar. Not sure what I was afraid of…. :)
Jul 13th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
I have been told that cleopatra milk was not pure raw milk also by dr earth healthfoods.I think if this is untrue that the people at dr earth in bondi need to watch what rumours they are spreading .could be very damaging for the poor farmers
Jul 13th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
We are building up a dairy farm (from a very run down one we recently purchased). We currently have 16 Ayrshires milking or about to be milking. We have many young Ayrshires and Jerseys to bring in to the herd in due course. Ayrshire milk is very yummy and full of proteins. We are not currently certified organic but are running the farm fully biologically similar to the methods of Dr Christine Jones, and Gary Zimmer of Acres USA. We would like to set up supply of raw “cosmetic” milk. We are located in south central Gippsland about 3.5 hours from Melbourne. How would be the best way to get supply out there to the people who want it?
Jul 13th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
talking bout “cleopatra” & “aphrodite” raw milks…which do you prefer? in terms of taste??? I just found it funny because I just LOVE cleopatra while my husband prefers aphrodite….
Jul 14th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Interesting comment Amar - we like the Aphrodite milk because it is certified organic, produces a good head of cream, and has the lovely creamy Jersey colour. We decant it into the Bormioli Rocco 1 ltr glass bottles, and find that it lasts up to 2 weeks in glass. Produces great whey also, for our Weston A Price recipes.
However, taste preference is a personal matter, and it is great that we real milk consumers now have a choice and some competition in the market. So whichever preference, we have a better supply and can make a taster’s choice. Perhaps in future there will be more producers, like artisan cheese makers.
Jul 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Michelle. I hope you’ve joined herdshare.com. It’s a great way to put together farmers and consumers of unprocessed milk. Our policy for Organic will be to contract with the managers of the herd to convert to organic within three years, but co-operative members (shareholders) will pay the same management fees as those who own already organic herds. That way we as consumers support farmers in the process of changing the way we all use the land.
Jul 14th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
any ideas of where to find this real milk in perth?
Jul 14th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
sorry forgot to mention and real butter,cheese etc aswel
in perth.thanks
Jul 14th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I am moving back to Toowoomba, soon any information on herdshare up there. I can get Cleopatra’s from the shops there, but I am interested in hedrshare.
Aug 1st, 2008 at 12:31 am
Hi Jo, really excited about this. Would love to get the milk (AND BUTTER AND CHEESE). My 20c worth: is there any possibility of getting it in Glass containers? or our own reusable containers we bring to the market and have filled up? all your energy that went into this is gonna make a BIG difference in a lotta peoples lives…….
thanks
Aug 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Wheeee! Soon I’m going to be able to make some cheese with it…. I can’t wait for the cheese class with BEC in Brisbane in August! If anyone wants to come too, email me! (Man, I am so excited! I keep using the exclamation mark!)
Aug 12th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Hi…Great site!
I’m from Adelaide and badly want to get some raw milk on a regular basis. Can someone help? Not fussed in traveling to pick up. Please email me if you have a contact or can help me out.
many thanks
Brett
marin3e@adam.com.au
Aug 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Hey Chris,
The change in the colour of the Cleo’s milk is purely based on the season we’re in right now. Trevor can’t have his cows eating the fresh green grass of spring, when we’re in winter. The colour of the grass is what creates that lovely caramel colour of the milk that we all enjoy so much. Having access to this amazing food is truly remarkable. I’ve been trying to find a source of raw jersey milk in NSW and haven’t found any sources thus far. Trevor is the only farmer I can locate that using only Jersey cows to make his milk, they produce less milk, but the quality is so much healthier and creamier, compared to the friesian cow variety that Aphrodite Milk is made from. Great to have a raw milk supply coming from down south, but the quality between the two milks is really very different.
The caramel milk will be back, now that the grass will be getting greener as Spring approaches.
On a separate note, can any one pass on some info about Goat farms in the southern highlands? I’d love to pick up some raw milk direct from a farmer each week.
Cheers,
Alana
Aug 24th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Hi Alana and Chris,
really interesting - just getting started and tried the other milks which were creamy and rich. We were told they were jersey - how can we be sure that we are getting what we are promised - you seem to know, so can you help us out. We want healthy creamy clean milk, but prefer jersey as that is supposed to be best - from what you say the Aphrodite is fresian. The shop says the Cleopatra’s milk is frozen - now all getting a bit confusing. Where did you find out - is there somewhere we can go to get independent and clear information.
Aug 25th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Hey Doug,
I got my info from speaking to the farmers at both Aphrodite and Cleopatra’s milk. Both farmers really want to do the best by all, and keep working hard each day to provide us with such an amazing resource.
I too read that Jersey milk is the most beneficial (weaton a price website) and my body agrees with it more. I also don’t have a supply here in Sydney of Aphrodite milk, so Cleo’s is the option I go with.
When I spoke to Trevor from Cleo’s dairy about his milking and transport schedule he sends his milk on a Thursday and I receive my milk here in Sydney o Monday. The milk isn’t frozen in the process as there is a relatively quick turn around time between milking and delivery. Maybe the shop you buy from doesn’t buy on a weekly basis and freezes their milk? Hope that helps :)
Alana
Aug 25th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I think people are putting rather a lot of emphasis on Jersey cows… if you are able to get fresh RAW milk from ANY organically reared- or close to it- grass fed, happy, dairy Cow, you are doing very well and getting a health source of great benefit compared to pasteurised milk .
I get excellent milk that is not from Jersey cows, and though it is a little less creamy, it is really very good stuff. It gets noticeably creamier in spring when the grass is tender. I prefer it to the Jersey stuff I can buy in Heathfood stores, as it is super FRESH and easily lasts 10 days in the fridge! We go through about 4 litres a week and my son is thriving on it, he has a great immune system which I attribute to his diet. :)
Aug 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
were in wa can i get this milk? i tried joannes link near the top of all the posts but it says page not found?
thanks
Aug 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
As far as i know Aphrodite milk is 100% jersey milk. check their website or contact them through this site.
Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Hello everyone and thanks for your comments
We have have followed your advice and tried for ourselves. We have discovered that the Aphrodite milk IS 100% Jersey milk, from grass fed Jersey cows. Being in Gippsland it has not been affected by drought, so is grass fed all year round.
We found a shop that gets the Aphrodite milk shipped in fresh and we pick it up the same day, so it is only a day or two from milking, and not frozen or in transit for 4-5 days. It appears that Joanne is right when she says the “jiggling” affects the freshness and helps to turn the milk. We agree with Heidi that the fresher the better, and while we have to buy from our shop in Sydney we are happy with the plentiful supply and the qualify of the milk.
In our search for independent information, we also discovered that Gippsland Organics is certified organic for BOTH production and for processing, which gives us confidence in the quality of the products, which is independently verified by the BFA auditors.
We are thriving on the milk with its rich head of cream, and happy following and sharing our journey of discovery.
Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Aphrodite milk is especially delicious fermented into Kefir. My daughter and I have been hooked since our first glass 1 1/2 years ago.
I really miss the raw cream and butter, especially the raw cream.
Look forward to your raw cream and butter Aphrodite! Thanks BIG TIME for your wonderful milk.
Also, finally made raw milk yogurt, didn’t heat it over 42 deg c and it came delicious. A little runnier than the usual good yogurt but I think its far better. I imagine it would be heaven with raw cream added to it!
I hope everyone writes a letter to FSANZ telling them to make raw milk in Australia legal before Sept 17th while they’re reviewing the current milk laws.
Sep 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hello I am interested in finding a supply of raw milk in southern Sydney for the purposes of making home made
“cosmetic” :) cheese.
Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Rob,
Try the Aphrodite website or email them to find your local supplier. The Aphrodite bath milk is certified organic with the BFA, grass fed from Jersey cows from Gippsland in Victoria. We find it high in butterfat so it is excellent for separation and cheesmaking. As the farm has its own water supply, there has been no restrictions on supply, so you should have plenty for your cheesemaking. You may want to share your experience with your progress on the website. Happy cheese making.
Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Here’s a list of Aprhodites Bath Milk suppliers in Melbourne.
http://aphrodite.nourished.com.au/where-to-get-aphrodites-bath-milk/
I’d love to know where in Sydney you can get Aphrodites. The distributors of Cleopatra’s are unwilling to give us a list of their retailers until the heat is taken off. Apparently Queensland retailers have received warning letters regarding the milk, threatening a big fine if they tell customers they can drink it. One retailer has even been asked to remove the bath milk from the milk case and display it elsewhere.
Oct 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
For those of you who think that Gippsland has not been affected by drought, you must think Gippsland is another planet. It has been very dire here in Gippsland, as it has been in so many places. Some of South & West Gippsland and the Macalister Irrigation District are doing just OK this year (but not last year). The rest of Gippsland is languishing! And for those of you who are fussing over grass fed cows - yes, most farmers are pleased to feed thier cows grass, but when there is a drought you have to feed them what ever you can source, and that may not be certified organic. In fact there are some organic farmers who have had to relinquish their certification due to the lack of available organic feed and the persistant drought conditions. The other option is to send the cows to market for meat or leave them to starve (and these options have sent some farmers to suicide, depression is rife). So support your farmers in the drought whatever they are producing, and be grateful that you can get your raw milk at all.
Nov 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Could anyone help me out, I beleive there is a beautiful lady located near Bendigo in Victoria somewhere. She provides goat’s milk (fresh) to families who have children with autism. My child has not yet been diagnosed (and of course won’t be) we are trying to fix his leaky gut and we beleive goat’s milk would be the best for him right now. If anyone knows this lady or where I could fresh goat’s milk (untouched) please, please let this desperate mother know! Thanks again to all these wonderful people!
Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Bridy
Bendigo has a Weston A Price Foundation chapter leader, she may be able to help you. Contact Joy at…..
jdhoneypatch@yahoo.com.au
All the best
Nov 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
A call for help-
Desperately seeking reliable weekly source of raw milk in Brisbane.
Please contact Laya:
07 3399 2286 or info@brisbaneyogastudio.com
Thank you!!!
Nov 17th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Contact Julie Philips from Wisefood Education.
Dec 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
hi, i just got my first order in of cleopatra’s milk today here in sydney, and was eager to try it. unfortunately, when i got home and had a sip, i started to feel a bit uneasy in the stomach, and then had another sip about 30min later, probably totalling 100ml or so. I then had, a bad case of diarrhea about an hour later, and have spent alot of the night in the toilet since….I have previsouly had a mild lactose intolerance which made me gassy with regular milk, and have been drinking lactose free milk for the past couple of years.
At the moment im getting stomach pain and a slight feeling to vomit. Im hoping this wasnt due to the milk but it seems most likely.
Could it be a case of bad bacteria? or just lactose intolerance. One thing i will also note is that yesterday i had a long physically gruelling soccer tournament, and then had a presentation night at a seafood restaurant, with a buffet. Ive never particularly liked seafood that much, and its probably the most and widest variety ive ever had, I was very full. Its possible that could be a reason too. i still feel quite ill. Has anyone else had or heard of any bad experiences with cleopatra’s bath milk? any help or suggestions?
thankyou, sebastian
Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Hi,
Does anyone know of herdshare happening near Kangaroo Valley or Berry way? We’ll be moving there around the middle of next year and are keen to be part of a herdshare group. Thanks.
Dec 2nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Hi Helena,
Yes in Gerrringong. Call Blake for more info 0431 067 252
Katrina.
Dec 2nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I read about the herdshare scheme today in The Good Living supplement of The Sydney Morning Herald. It is an excellent idea and only a shame it has come to this through lack of choice. I will definitely be taking part. Christine, Sydney
Dec 3rd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Sebastian, it was the milk. There’s nothing wrong with Cleopatras that would have caused that, but if you are lactose intolerant then you will react to any kind of milk. It makes no difference whether it’s organic, raw or supermarket rubbish - lactose is still lactose.
Dec 3rd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Sebastian, lactose wont cause a reaction like that though. Sounds like a pretty classic case of food poisoning. May have been the milk, perhaps it wasnt handled properly in the place you bought it, or had a small hole in it somewhere, generally it would tase horribly sour though if that were the case.
Sounds much more likely to be the seafood. I LOVE seafood but if I have gone overboard, particulalry eating a lot of shellfish, I have had similiar reactions just coz of the richness of it all. However if you also felt nauseous/sick etc, its more likely to have been a bit of off seafood.
If it persists any longer see your GP for some tests, most of the time these things go away in 24 hours. I had it once from adding raw yolks to my smoothie, done it plenty of times before then one time mustve been a bad egg and whoah was not fun the next day!
Hope your feeling better !
Dec 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
thanks for the reply Lana, but ive never had that sort of really bad reaction to any kind of milk, regular milk only made me feel bloated and gassy, and i had no reaction to lactose free milk (obviously), and not much reaction to any other dairy, though i may get a bit bloated and gassy if i have alot of ice cream. Along with what i wrote before, I had a raised temperature since then and cudnt sleep properly that night, aswell as a headache and overall weakness. Im still feeling some pain in my stomach though i have almost recovered now. I might try some again on friday in the afternoon and see what happens, and im making sure to eat all ’safe’ foods.
Dec 3rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Hey thanks also Jad, i really hope it was the seafood, but would it take that long? ive also been told by someone that eating seafood(esp shellfish) and drinking milk doesnt go well together…ah well, i bought two bottles of milk, maybe i should open the other one and try it next. the one i tried tasted fine.
Possibly one other thing was some flavoured nuts i bought that were on special at coles…for $1 coz the best before date was the next day…they were salt and vinegar flavoured peanuts and cashews…and i just couldnt resist, and i had a large handful of those, and soon after i had the first sip of milk…maybe it was the nuts or a bad reaction between the nuts and milk…and i usually eat pretty good, those two days were just a rare bad spell for me and look what happens! haha, ive thrown the rest of the nuts out since then. Im still feeling it a bit in my stomach, but im alot better. thanks
Dec 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Sebastian
you are so funny. It seems the healthiest food you ate in a 24 hour period was the raw milk! Don’t eat crappy supermarket junk specials! I bet the nuts had a cocktail off additives. It couldn’t have been the milk, no way, I agree with Jad.
Also Lana the lactos in milk isn’t all the same. Many people can drink raw milk and not drink any pasteurised milk or worse, homogenised and ultra-pasteurised. The enzymes in raw milk and the higher vitamin content aid digestion and assimilation.
It can take 8 hours or longer after eating a bad food for the reaction to come.
Shellfish is very common to cause a bad reaction, not sure why, maybe they need to be very, very fresh. Maybe your immuntiy was a bit down at the time, any alcohol you forgot to mention drinking?
Hope you feel better soon.
Dec 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Hi Joanne- would love to have any info available on where and when to access a reliable raw milk supply here in Byron.
Dec 5th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
hey Cathy, haha well yea that wasnt a healthy 2 days for me at all, and when buying the peanuts i did look at the ingredients and saw the additives….but ive always loved salt and vinegar chips as a kid, and now i see salt and vinegar flavoured peanuts and cashews…so i just had to try them, I actually threw the rest out the next day. Still today i am getting Diarrhea but its not very urgent, but yea, when i do go it still happens.
Not sure if i should try the milk again right now, my digestive system still doesnt feel great. I will just assume its the seafood and nuts, and or mixing those two with the raw milk, haha coz i really want to drink it again.
Oh and i had a small sip of whiskey the night eating seafood, nothing much though. my body was quite sore from the soccer tournament the day before so that may have weakened me, along with the large amount of seafood, some of which was greasy, along with other bad food that night, with which i totally filled myself with. I felt rather seedy afterwards really, i hadnt eaten that bad in a long time….ok now im beginning to babble….thanks guys, i hope to be enjoying this milk soon enough!
Dec 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
hi i have 4 kids who all would benefit from raw milk,,very interested,i live in byron .
thanks georgia 66857775
Dec 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Every one who wants raw milk or a herdshare subscribe to herdshare.com.
Dec 10th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Can any one tell me where I could get raw milk in the Nowra area? Write back in comment on this article.
Dec 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Hi Joanne i have myself and 5 others that are interested in joining plse send me any info.I currently purchase 14 litres a week for my own consumption and really was looking for the raw cream and butter.My mobile is 0406791468 if u need it.Many thanks Glynn Henderson
Jan 7th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Hi there
I would be interested in joining. Could you please send me any information. I am interested in raw milk, butter and cream on a regular basis.
Many thanks
Nikki Steenson
Jan 12th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Just herd you on bay fm and would like to show some local support im definatley interested in obtaining and knowing more about raw milk ive just given up parsturised and im missing it greatly Icarnt beleive raw milk is ileagal who the hell do they think they are , anyway you have my support please send me info thanks Michael
Feb 28th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I would be very interested in raw milk, and local to you, please keep me informed, thanking you Rhonda
Mar 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Hey Joanne,
was wondering if the herdshare was up and running yet, i live in Mullum and am very interested to join your co-op, please let me know.
Mar 3rd, 2009 at 8:16 am
Go to herdshare.com and subscribe. Very soon we’ll have the next website ready for you to use to build a group in your region.
Mar 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
hi i’m interested in raw milk. does anyone know where i can get it?? i live in albury/wodonga
cheers
Mar 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
We are dairy farmers in WA and we are very interested in how Herd Share distributes their milk and the whole Herd Share process in general. How often as a dairy farmer would we need to distribute our milk as its sold daily?
Is there a representative in WA who I can contact to get more information about Herd Share? If not would you be able to email us some more information at rebeccamartella@hotmail.com.
Mark.
Mar 16th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
We have been using Cleopatra’s Bath Milk in Brisbane for several months and have been lapping up, however we are now residing in the centre of Sydney for 75% of every month and we are missing not having our raw milk. So can anyone please let us know of a store in the city that may sell it or do we need to drive out into the suburbs? We have heard of a few stores in the suburbs but the fuel costs would hardly be worth driving out twice per week to stock up. My partner will not substitute with goats milk or rice milk and we are definitely not converting to soy.
Mar 21st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
We have been using raw milk for two years in Victoria,stopped buying from a shop and bought a share in 4 Jersey Cows. We have recently moved to Mullum area and would be very interested in joining something similar in this area if available, we have been buying Bath Milk but based on the amount we use you need Cleopatras wealth to keep it up. Ian & Maryann
Mar 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
i have a query, i have started getting raw milk again from a diary, but i have to travel an hour to get it, at 60c a litre i feel its worth it., and i have 4 kids so it gets really expensive. As i have to get a large quanity at a time (40 to 50L), i get it home and freeze a lot of it, sometimes without skimming the cream off. Is freezing it OK? Worried about the freezer killing off anything that is good in the milk? The last time i was getting the raw milk, i just had a 5 min drive and we drankit before we got to freeze it.
also is there a share cow thingy anywhere near gatton in qld? This sounds like an excellent idea, i would have a cow, but the council would be upset with me for having it in town on a 1/4 acre house block. They just would not understand!!
thanks
Mar 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Freezing milk is fine. No enzymes or bacteria are affected. To avoid the fats separating, defrost slowly in the fridge. If you’re subscribed to herdshare.com you’ll be able to tell if there are others interested in your area, we hope by May. As for owning a cow. It’s cruel to expect a herd animal to live on their own. So if you want a house cow, best to get two. The council will really not understand then hey? BTW 60c is incredibly cheap.
Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
I read about Herd Share in the Land newspaper and was intrigued at the simple legal contrivance to avoid selling milk. I am a patent and trade mark attorney practising in Sydney and looked up the Patent Office database to see if Herd Share was registered as a trade mark. Apparently it is not. It would be a good idea to register it. This would not only prevent other people from using it, but enable you to license other people or organisations of your choice to use it in a systematic way if you wish. If you would like to contact me about this, please telephone my office on 02 9955 2600.
Kind regards,
Faser OLD
Mar 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
RE: freezing milk post above - is this also the same with raw butter?
Does anyone know how to best store raw butter or how long it lasts if refrigerated?
I just purchased a takeaway sized container of the Gympie Butter (wish it came in less toxic plastic containers than those nasty chinese takeaway ones) and am not sure what to do with it ie. refrigerate it or freeze it. Can some of it be stored in the pantry for easy spreading, and how long will lit last (non-refrigerated, refrigerated or frozen)?
Thank you!
Mar 24th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Has anyone ever heard of any link between raw goat’s/cow’s milk and lyme disease? This question was posed above, but many moons ago, and never answered. I’ve made the acquaintance of the daughter of a woman with a case of lyme. When I mentioned that I had an interest in trying raw milk, she said she thought her mother may have contracted the lyme through raw milk. She also, by the way, suggested low-temp pasteurized, non-homogenized milk for my 2yr-old grandson, whose digestion is compromised by regular store-bought milk.
Mar 24th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
hmm some good bacteria will be killed by freezing. But all the other enzymes/nutrients etc will be fine. Water expands as it freezes inside a bacteria cell and that bursts its cellular membrane. This does not happen with all bacteria as far as I am aware. But i know probiotic organisms cannot be frozen or they die off.
but yeah everything else should be fine in the frozen milk.
Mar 24th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Kylie
My experience with raw butter is that it goes a bit sour around the 10th day, even with salt. Its still healthy to eat but different tasting.
If you have heaps of butter chop it up and freeze it. Raw butter is unchanged by freezing so go for it.
Lucky you!!!
Shawn, there are so many of us with thriving kids on raw milk. I wouldn’t feed my daughter milk any other way except fermented raw. Raw milk and dairy is an amazing food for growing bodies.
Check out http://www.realmilkaustralia.com for more info, there’s plenty! They also have a powerpoint presentation on it worth watching. Cow’s on pasture produce the safest food on this planet, raw milk.
Mar 25th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Cathy, thanks for the input; I’ll visit the Aussie site. We’ve begun giving our grandson the non-homogenized milk I described in the previous post, and will have to continue for at least several more days to determine whether it helps his digestion. I have reference numbers for raw milk resources and will call them this week. What exactly do you mean by “fermented raw”?!
Mar 26th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Hi Shawn
Fermented raw means cultured milk. Kefir is the easiest or home made raw yogurt where you don’t heat the milk past 45 to 50 deg.
Kefir is made by adding kefir grains, (which look like little cauliflower jellyfish type things, I think they are transparent in color but take on the color of milk) to fresh milk. A hand full can ferment about 3/4 of a litre of milk and its all done in 24 hours (maybe less in hot weather) on a bench top, no heating, easy. When its ready you strain kefir milk into bowl and put in fridge (will last there 21 days if I remember correctly), and your kefir grains go into another fresh batch of milk. These kefir grains multiply an average of double per fortnight so you can share with friends. See Anita in the “recent discussions” if you want some, they last a life time, very powerful probiotic and even some of the most dairy intolerant people can benefit and enjoy raw milk kefir. For the best info on Kefir, history, health benefits and amazing recipes check out;
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
I have a bad habit of going on too much.
Also, if I had to give my daughter pasteurised milk (non-homogen of course) I would definitely kefir first. Even the best pasteurised milk straight up is very hard to digest and can cause as sorts of health probs for many.
Also, fresh milk, best served up at room temp, or gently warmed to body temp for easier digestion.
My daughter can handle (LOVES) straight up raw but I have to warm it or she wont poo!
Over and out!
Mar 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Hi!
My partner and I recently traveled to get raw milk. We brought a lot home with us. I am having horrible intestinal gas as a result of drinking it. I have tried taking 200mg of lactase with a cup of milk, but it hasn’t helped. I want to continue drinking the milk, what should I do?
Thanks!
Anandah
Apr 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Hi, does anyone know where I can source raw milk in NEWCASTLE. Thanks Brook
Apr 13th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hi I am interested in buying raw (non pasteurized) milk for direct consumption after boiling. Is there any vendor available in Sydney who sells raw milk? Would appreciate a feed back. I am desparate. Thanks you in advance.
May 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Hi,
I’m looking for raw cream or butter in Melbourne. Have bought Aphrodite before however it is hard to come by and when I can get it it’s usually only small amounts. I’m keen to buy a good quantity like 10 kilo’s at a time.
Thanks.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Mark have you been able to buy raw cream and butter recently? I haven’t seen it for over one year, I live in Castlemaine.
I hear Timboon (out past Geelong way) does raw milk and could be doing raw cream and butter soon. Give them a call?? 55985249 Tell them there are many of us in Melb wanting raw cream and butter!
You can also call Aphrodite dairy http://www.aphroditedairy.com
May 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Hi, I have been drinking raw milk (Cleopatra’s) for 3 years but I am now having increasing difficulty getting it as the demand is greater than the supply. Does anyone know of a herdshare in Coffs Harbour (mid north coast of NSW), or know of anywhere else nearby where I can get organic raw milk, and some cream and butter would be good too. Thanks
May 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am
i am interested in raw milk. grew up owning a cow that mum milked, also remember going to the dairy to buy our milk 30 years ago cos mum wasnt good at milking :-) , …. the cream on top…. the green grass around, me wide eyed peering over the vat. YUM
May 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
I would like to try raw milk for me and my children. I’ll have to see if I can find some in Canberra. I would like to keep a cow but I live in a house on a small block. I would love to get a rural property one day.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
I have tried raw milk in melbourne. It’s sooooo delicious. Especially with raw honey. I didn’t bother heating it up, and I still always felt better afterwards. I wouldn’t go near cooked milk now.
Unfortunately I have just realised I’ve had candida for at least ten years now.. so all milks are a no-no. I’m having raw butter instead but i miss the milk. When I can tolerate sugars again, it will be the first thing back in my diet.
Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I am looking buy raw milk and butter in the north west Sydney area (pennant hills). Does anyone know of a place where I can get these? Thanks
Jun 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I have changed most of my diet to organic or certified organic, when I can find the products. I also do not clean with chemicals or wash my clothes in chemicals. I have not been able to find organic cow’s milk that has not been pasturised. I would love to know where to purchase it in Adelaide. I have a grandson who has symptoms of autism, his mother has changed him over to organic foods and soy milk, but it is pasturised, I was wondering if organic, whole, cow’s milk would be safe to use? Any comments from mothers with autistic children would be appreciated, as usually casein in cow’s milk is a no-no.
Jun 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Hi Colins, we’re in Melbourne and are interested in getting hold of some raw milk. Please advise.
Q: Does anyone know of raw milk delivery in Melbourne?
Cheers
Giles
Jun 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Giles
go to; http://www.aphroditedairy.com and click on “Stockists” to find your closest supplier. You can also ring Timboon to see who stocks their milk, the no is above at post 216.
Even though we all drink this milk and give it to our children remember to ask for “Bath Milk” because legally that’s what it is. Some shops will only order milk for those on their list and not have it in their shop fridge.
Jun 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Hi there. I am on the Gold Coast. Where can I get raw butter? I travel to Byron quite often. Is there a source there?
Thanks
Nikki
Jun 21st, 2009 at 6:08 am
Hi
I live in Sydney NSW and I’ve bought Cleopatra’s Raw milk off and on for the past year. Although I’m fairly happy with this product, I would be interested in participating in an herd share. Please keep me informed if one is or will be available in my area.
Regards,
Jung
Jun 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Wendy Hall,
Your grandson with autism should not be having casein in milk. Should be gluten-free, casein-free, sugar-free, with plenty of fermented foods to build up the immune system, like Young Coconut Kefir. All the best.
Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:34 am
hi , i live in sydney western suburbs near parammatta cbd , which is nearest place where i can buy raw milk .
Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am
where can i find raw milk in sydney western suburbs (parammatta).please let me know if some body knows about this.
Jul 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Any known herd or milk share in Adelaide ?????
was a little pissed off when the ratbags here, because they weren’t getting tax from the milk and the story ” it might harm someone ” like the rest of the info from the government pure BS and greed and don’t care about the health of Australians have a look amy site and see how much I think of the government
doesn’t matter libs or labor they are not to be trusted…..
after 71 years it grates that they can’t tell..the truth ….
Jul 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Any known herd or milk share in Adelaide ?????
was a little pissed off when the ratbags here, because they weren’t getting tax from the milk and the story ” it might harm someone ” like the rest of the info from the government pure BS and greed and don’t care about the health of Australians have a look amy site and see how much I think of the government
doesn’t matter libs or labor they are not to be trusted…..
after 71 years it grates that they can’t tell..the truth ….
Aug 11th, 2009 at 10:52 am
we are very interested in being involved in the byron herdshare, we live in burringbar and have just reactivated the tweed shire LETS and could possibly get more interest through that system. Please keep us updated on any news and if you need any assistance
Nov 18th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Hi, looking for a supply of raw milk in Perth WA. Any info would be appreciated.
Nov 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Hi,
We have just moved to Byron and I was wondering if you managed to get herdsare off the ground and if so how can I join!
Dec 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
i am making kefir and i want to use organic raw goats milk…. i am only interested in using goats milk… as i drink it unkefired too.. and prefer the benefits of goat milk.. anyway…
i have only found nimbinvalley unpasteurised goats milk which doesnt specify as being organic!!?
i live in mullumbimby..
if you know of anyone near here that sells, distributes or delivers organic raw goats milk id be very grateful if you could let me know..
thankyou for your help
anjuli
Dec 10th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Hi, I’m interested in finding out more about herdshare principles and legailities. I’m considering options to sell shares in an existing local herd (Central West NSW). My partner dairy farmer has stopped selling milk commercially, but still milks a few cows but only to feed milk to calves.
Any help you can give may save hours of research.
Dec 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Anjuli,
Raw goat’s milk kefir is the best! You might try putting an ad at the Stockfeeds store where goat owners would buy their feed, asking for someone with goats to contact you, or at the Vet, or in the local rural newspaper.
You might be hard-pressed to get totally organic, though. The nimbinvalley milk sounds better than nothing.
Hope that helps.
Dec 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Ian Chapman,
You might be best to look up the contact details of Wes & Joanne Hay, & call her yourself. They’ll be able to tell you where they’re up to in the Herdshare. http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html#aus
Dec 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Pasteurization sucks many of the nutrients out of the milk, including vitamins C, B6 and B12. It even sucks the calcium out – any calcium you find in store-bought milk is usually added during fortification.
One study found that between 1982 and 1997, 220,000 people were sickened by salmonella in pasteurized milk. During that same perioRaw milk should be celebrated… instead, we’re forced to hide and sneak and find creative ways around laws designed to stop us from getting our milk… like buying shares in cows the same way some people buy partial ownership of vacation homes.
d, not a single person reported getting sick from raw milk.
I drunk a lot of milk from my family cows overseas and none of us were sick. Here in Australia is hard to get it.
We consume about fithteen (15) liters of milk per week. I wish to find out where to get it here in Penrith or Sydney North West the organic cow or goat milk.
Regards Peter
Dec 27th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Glen did you find somewhere in Perth? If you are still looking Avon Valley Milk http://www.realmilk.com.au/ do “bath milk”
Jan 4th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I am interested in purchasing raw milk - preferably organic, cow, goat or sheeps milk to make kefir with. Is there anyone around the Perth area that knows of a supplier?
Regards
Tina
Jan 5th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Hi ,
Can anyone please help me to know where can i find fresh raw cow’s milk.
your reply is greatly appreciated.
thanks a lot
Afroz
Jan 5th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
hi ,
i live in sydney western suburbs in parammatta , could you please let me know where i can buy raw milk .
Jan 5th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
hi , i live in sydney western suburbs near parammatta cbd , which is nearest place where i can buy raw milk .
Jan 12th, 2010 at 2:39 am
i am able to supply bath milk in perth.
Available in 1 litre glass bottles.
Jan 13th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Hi there. Thanks for working hard to bring raw milk to us. I live in Melbourne and come from Canada. I drank raw organic milk a few times whilst living there. Then I arrived to Australia and was shocked to hear it was illegal here as a beverage. I thought that is totally insane! Anyhow, my family wish we could actually buy and drink raw organic milk and am happy to express our interest if we know it is sold locally within Melbourne - preferably the Eastern suburbs. Thanks once again for your hard work in getting a herd up and going. Byron Bay rocks!
Jan 15th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Anyone aware if there are any herd share possibilities on the horizon in the Newcastle/ Hunter region? If so, i’d be more than interested!
Jan 15th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Hey I am interested in buying into a herdshare in NSW, we are in west sydney and I am finding it impossible to source raw milk in this area. Can anyone let me know with who to contact in relation to the herdshare and is there one already going? If anyone could let me know, send me an email at karennew@live dot com dot au. Thanks, karen
Jan 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
hey guys - i just foudn this http://www.abundantorganics.com.au/ sells cleos bath milk and delivers to most Syd Suburbs. i was jumping for joy when i found it!!! hope this helps!
Jan 22nd, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Hi, I am looking for milk supplies of goat and sheep as well as cow’s milk in the lower Hunter Valley. Does anyone know of any?
Tks, Gael
Feb 17th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Does anyone have any information on where to get raw milk in and around the Melbourne area?
Mar 3rd, 2010 at 8:29 am
Yes, I’m interested. Please email me.