We are getting closer to creating a Herd Share in Byron Bay. We’ve found a Farmer who is just about to finish his contract with the dairy corporation and is willing to provide raw milk to a group of 500 to 1000 people. The local farmer’s market is willing to encourage the distribution of raw milk from a stall every Thursday and Saturday - for cosmetic use of course. We have a couple of interested parties willing to take on distributorship. Next step is to find those interested in a reliable raw milk supply in the Byron Shire. If you are one who is interested, leave a comment at the bottom of this article and I will contact you. Even if you’re not from Byron Shire, leave a comment, we may know where to send you or just give us your thoughts.
Here are some interesting tid bits for those who are a little worried about the safety of consuming local raw milk.
During the 1920s and early 1930s, several studies were carried out that compared the effects of raw versus pasteurized milk in children. In one study, 224 chilren at the Boston Dispensary were fed either raw certified milk or grade A pasteurized milk. (Archives of Pediatrics, 1926.) Those fed raw milk were healthier than those fed pasteurized milk, even when the pasteurized milk was supplemented with Cod Liver Oil. In a comparison of two groups of over 100 babies, those fed pasteurized milk had lower weight gain, more rickets and diarrhea and a greater mortality that those fed raw milk. (Archives of Pediatrics, 1929). And in a study of school children in Scotland, those given raw milk had better growth than those fed pasteurized milk. (Nature, 4/18/31).
In a number of studies involving rats over several generations, researchers Scott and Erf documented normal growth, good health and gentle disposition in rats fed an exclusive raw milk diet. Rats fed pasteurixed milk were anemic, had slow growth, rough coats, loss of vitality and weight, and were very irritable, often showing a tendency to bite when handled (Jersey Bulletin, 1931 Vol 50)
In studies of Guinea pigs carried out by Wulzen and Bahr, animals fed whole raw milk had excellent growth and no abnormalities; those fed whole pasteurized milk had poor growth, muscle stiffness, emaciation and weakness and death within one year. Autopsy of pasteurized milk fed animals revealed atrophied muscles streaked with calcification and tricalcium deposits under the skin and in the joints, heart and other organs (American Journal do Physiology, 1941).
According to statistics posted at the US government’s centre for Disease Control Website, those consuming raw milk are 2.5 times less likely to contract food borne illness than those consuming pasteurized milk and 3.5 times less likely to contract food borne illness from consuming other foods.
Raw milk contains numerous components that kill bad bacteria and strengthen the immune system. In the infant, these components provide immunity for life to any pathogen to which the baby is exposed. These components are mostly destroyed, or greatly reduced, by pasteurization.
Since 1999, Organic Pastures Dairy in California has sold 40 million servings of raw milk and raw milk pruducts, without one reported illness; during the same period, there have been at least 20 recalls of pasteurized milk products in California. The most occurred in May, 2006, hen 13000 inmates at 11 state prisons contracted gastroenteritis from campylobacter in half-pint cartons of pasteurized milk.
To find out more about Real Milk. visit the Real Milk Website. You could also subscribe to Planet Raw Milk, to be constantly updated on this issue.
About the Author...
Joanne Hay, Editor of Nourished Magazine, Chief Nourisher and Mother of three is very grateful to live in Byron Bay and be able to share all she has learned about Nourishment. She has trained as an Acupuncturist (unfinished), Kinesiologist (finished) and parent (never finished). She serves the Weston A Price Foundation as a chapter leader. She loves sauerkraut, kangaroo tail stew, home made ice cream, her husband Wes and her kids Isaiah, Brynn and Ronin (in no particular order…well maybe ice cream first).
Aug 11th, 2006 at 8:41 am
That’s fantastic news, now we just need it to keep progessing toward Victoria :)
Aug 11th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
Joshua
Have you contacted Arabella (broadbean[at]optusnet[dot]com[dot]au), she may be close to getting a share herd together, especially since Mark McAffee, a raw milk advocate from the states (www.organicpastures.com) is coming to the Slow Foods Convention down there in September. I bet Raw cheese made at home from raw milk would taste wicked down in Victoria.
Blessings
Joanne
Aug 20th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
I would be interested in either distributing raw milk in Adelaide SA,
or starting a share herd, with like minded people
Aug 31st, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Yes, am interested in raw milk. Yum
Sep 9th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
We are dairy farmers near Adelaide, aware of the benefits of raw milk and would like more info on herd share
Sep 9th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
I will contact you off list. Any one else interested in Raw Milk Herd Share’s Email Nourished via the contact form. We have exciting things to tell you..
Joanne
Sep 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Dear Joanne, I am a big fan of Weston Price Foundation. I believe that raw milk is healing and treated milk causing diseases and killing. Would you know anyone in Perth, who sells raw milk, butter or cheese and how to get herd share in WA. Kind regards Gita
Sep 23rd, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Gita
Western Australia’s Wise food list:
http://www.nourished.com.au/western-australia-wise-food-list/
Blessings
Joanne
Oct 5th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
For years I have been reading about the benefits of raw milk and I would love to know about any opportunities to obtain raw milk. I live on the Central Coast of NSW about an hour and a half north of Sydney. Does anyone know of anything in this area?
Oct 12th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Hi,
Just moved to the byron area and very interested in obtaining raw milk. Have been looking for it everywhere, especially after drinking some of the cleopatra body milk from Qld.(cosmetic use only of course….)and noticed I had a billion times more energy.
Cheers,
Karen.
Oct 12th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Karen,
The herd share is coming closer. I’m visiting the farm regularly and we have a solicitor working on the paper work.
I’ll email you to talk further.
Joanne
Oct 17th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Hello,
I am very keen to source some raw dairy. I was in Qld recently and loved the Cleopatra’s bath milk, but alas it isnt available here in Victoria.
Do you know of anyhwere I can purchase or acquire it down here?
Also what is the Raw Milk Herd Share’s?
Love the website too! Very informative and inspiring!
Kind Regards
Matthew
Oct 18th, 2006 at 6:42 am
Thanks Matthew.
Arabella Forge is the Weston Price Chapter for Melbourne. She is working on http://www.realmilkaustralia.com. You can contact her through the site.
Herd Share’s are associations of people who, together, buy a herd of cows. A share is anywhere between $10 and $60 each. They then employ a dairy farmer as the manager of their cow and pay them to manage and deliver them milk. In Byron we will be organising a herd share that provides milk for cosmetic reasons only. The choice to consume it is personal. There will be contractual agreements in place between the share owner and the manager. And people without share agreements can not receive the milk.
We are setting up a site called herdshare.com soon where you will be able to register your interest, anywhere in Australia. When enough people are interested and a farmer can be found, interested parties will be contacted and the beautiful, sweet raw milk will flow.
Good luck finding a source down there. When you do, let me know about it and I can update the wise foods page on nourished.
We are about to do a redevelopment on Nourished. It will be a monthly magazine with a blog attached. We will offer advertising space for businesses aligned with our message and are considering a shop with appropriate supplements and lifestyle gadgets. If you have any suggestions for the redevelopment, shoot.
Blessings
Joanne
Oct 25th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Hey Im a small goat dairy in N. california. I will be doing a herdshare next milking season. another way Ive heard about to get around the pasturization laws is to mark on your cheese ‘NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.’that weeds out the people not paying attention. hey? This season I had one of my raw cheese clients diagnosed with lyme disease . through her reasearch, she suspects that lyme disease can be passed through raw goat products. has anybody heard of this?
Nov 1st, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Any developments on the herd share near Adelaide? We’d love to be part of it. Where can I get info?
Nov 2nd, 2006 at 9:15 am
Susan,
Contact Arabelle at realmilkaustralia.com
Nov 27th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
Real Milk…in Melbourne at last!
Hi, I’ve been almost pestering Trevor from Cleopatra’s Bath Milk to start shipping some of his lovely milk down to Melbourne, it is now shipped weekly to Melbourne Market and all you have to do is get your closest organic veggie store/health food store, to pick some up there when they do their weekly veggie shop from there.
I haven’t got the exact stand info (I know that Trevor sells organic produce to the market already, he just sent some milk along now, too), but I’ll write another comment once I do..
Also, I don’t know how much milk is actually delivered every week but I can find out.
Nov 29th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
I am looking for raw milk to buy locally near Trentham, Victoria (which is near Daylesford, Woodend or Kyneton). I require 24-30 litres per week. Must be organic (not necessarily certified) but cows/goats/sheep that do not eat grass or hay that has been sprayed with artificial fertilizers or pesticides and that are free from antibiotics or other synethetic medicines.
Love to hear from anyone in the area who is interested in selling raw milk.
Thanks
Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
I would like to purchase raw milk in Perth. Let me know if you know of anyone who sells it. Thanks.
Greg
Dec 4th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
I have now managed to get Cleopatra’s Bath Milk down in stores here in Melbourne.
It’s now sold at Organic Wholefoods in both the Smith St and Lygon St stores.
They have started with only a small order so shown interest would really boost future supplies down here I think.
Also, Trevor at Cleopatra’s sends his milk down to/through Organic Wholesalers at Melbourne Market so if your local Healtho already buy from them, they can also put in orders there…it’s delivered every Thursday.
Dec 4th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Reply to Jeanee
-I also remembered that Organic Wholefoods have a store in Daylesford, (see previous post):
29 Albert St, Daylesford, Central Victoria
Ph: 03 5348 4022
Don’t know if they could also buy Cleopara’s Bath Milk from Melbourne Market but it might be worth a try…
Dec 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
Thanks Emma,
That’s great news. I’ll let you know how I go getting the milk.
jeanee
Dec 13th, 2006 at 10:33 am
Here’s the story -
Organic wholefoods says that they need to find a legal document that says that they can legally sell raw milk as a cosmetic before they will sell the product and my supplier who goes to the wholesale market, says that organic wholesalers haven’t heard of the product.
If there is any change, will post and let you know.
Jan 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
I’d love to know if there’s anywhere in Canberra that stocks raw milk. If anyone knows I’d be most interested in hearing about it :)
Jan 6th, 2007 at 6:13 am
Amy,
Go to Real Milk Australia and register. It’s an aliance of raw milk consumers lobbying to legalise raw milk. Together we achieve more.
Feb 4th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Myself and two friends are looking for a Sydney distributer or hobby farmer willing to supply us with raw milk. Can’t wait for this to be a reality!!!
Feb 5th, 2007 at 1:12 am
Thank you,
it is very important to me. I am very happy and grateful that this site exits and provides such a useful and and life-changing information. Thank you for it and for all the other efforts. I am from Adelaide and will use the contact provided here. I am interested in purchasing raw milk for our family however I am not sure if I can help in any other way. I will try Real Milk Australia - perhaps.
Thank you and regards,
Janusz Swiatczak
Feb 6th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Hi there, so glad to have read all these posting. I am desperately seeking raw milk (straight out of a cow with nothing added or deleted or put through any processing). I do not need it for any consumption reasons. I require it for religious practice.
I am in Victoria and would higly appreciate details of any one who can supply raw cow/goat milk.
with thanks.
Richa
Feb 19th, 2007 at 10:25 am
I live in Sydney am extremely keen to start using raw milk - any news of a co-op down this way?
Thanks for all your great work!
Rachel.
Feb 19th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Rachel
Go to http://www.realmilkaustralia.com to register and help lobby the government for a regulated raw milk supply.
Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:23 pm
hi, I have been milking my own cow for about eight years now and have recently moved to a larger property that has an old dairy on it. I am very keen to start an organic milk herd share but dont know where to start or where to find interest. I live in QLD about 1 hour west of Gympie.
Any input would be much appreciated.
thanks for this great site !
Criselle Bice
Mar 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Hi, I live in Sydney and my husband and I are in the process of organising a group of people who want a regular order of the cleopatra’s bath milk. The delivery trucks are willing to do a drop in our area (Sutherland Shire), so long as we order a minimum of 2 crates, which is 18 x 2L (9 x 2L per crate). So far I have enough people to order exactly 2 crates, but the more people we get, the cheaper the milk becomes as the freight is divided between more people. If you are interested, or for more info, send me an email at katchi@optusnet.com.au
Mar 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Yes, just been listening to a raw milk supplier talking on US radio station RBNlive.com
Please bring your milk to the farmers’ markets up here on the Gold Coast!
Apr 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Hi
Recently, I had the opportunity to taste raw cow’s milk and the taste and flovour was amazing.
Would you know where in Sydney I could purchase raw cow’s milk apart from Alafalfa House in Newtown.
Apr 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Get in touch with Katrina for Cleopatra’s. There is a contingent looking to start a herd share. I’ll post as soon as they’ve set it up to let you all know.
Apr 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Hello all,
We farm a couple hours from melb milking a breed of cow that does not produce huge unsustainable amounts of milk, but boy is it tasty as drinking milk. We are always in top bracket for quality at factory but get paid less for ours than other farms that produce more (volume charge.. that is geared to suit mass production).
Very frustrating as you can imagine, thanks Joanne for the format to discuss. Would love to bring some milk to Melbourne free of charge so families and their friends could decide for themselves. Great to see it get of the ground down here so we could limit “food miles”.
P.s If the Aus dairy industry was really deregulated we wouldn’t have these barriers, hang in there all i can still remember when people could not sell free range eggs on the side of the road due to egg board regulations.
Apr 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Dear Joanne, I would just like to thank you so much. It was through your website that I found Bee Wilder, and since incorporating a lot of her plan into my life I am a new person. Thank you. I live in Melbourne and are interested in obtaining some raw milk, so am very excited to read the post from Murray. I would be prepared to travel to Murray, if he was willing to sell me some. I would have to freeze it tho’ as it is mainly for my little grandson to have when he comes once a week, and hopefully give him some to take home. Hope freezing the milk won’t destroy too much of the goodness. My mind is racing now thinking of those I can persuade to have some too, if Murray had enough. :)
Apr 15th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Hello Marion,
Thanks for the encouragement, and certainly would have enough, and hey like i said happy to provide for free so no implications as the law stands, would be good to get to town for a day as the drought can be a bit overwhelming after a while. Lots i could tell you about the way the industry is tilted to the big end of town but bettter to look towards the future and how we can get back to real food getting to real people.
Just a point of interest though(perhaps most already know) this months milk price to the ave farmer is 34c, so you can see it is the principle involved in providing a premium product and getting less than those that could not care less
Apr 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Anyone know where I could source raw milk in Newcastle NSW?
Apr 16th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Sorry, that was 34c per litre, and yes freezing is fine we do it with cream at times although some would be amazed that our friends often comment how wrappped they are that their milk is still going strong after 7 to 8 days wihout signs of turning. Another modern food myth busted.Cheers Murray
Apr 16th, 2007 at 8:48 am
“Turned” milk is actually better for adults than sweet milk. Never before refrigeration did adults drink sweet milk. We lose lactase production around 12 years old so need to predigest it with enzymes before consuming it. Doesn’t stop me from drinking a big glass every few days though - YUM. I think I’m catching up on missing out all those years. Kefir is good for souring it but you can also just sit it on the bench ’til it “turns” and drink it straight or use it in a smoothie.
Apr 16th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
This is true for the mayority of adults
- but danish sientists have found out that the maoyority of danes( 95 %) - and more than half of english, dutch and north german adults keep producing lactase after childhood !(A change of genes have made this possible)- Sorry if my english is a bit broken ;-) not my native language.
That is my guess why dairy consumption is pretty high in theese countries and why lactose problems are less common.
The cows next to my mum came out on grass this weekend -can´t wait for the dark yellow butter in a week or 2 ;-D
I have noticed that my organic milk ( sadly pasterized - but not high pasterized) last much longer than regular milk- even 3 or 4 days afterused by date the whole milk is fine- and when I turn it into kefir it last even longer.
Apr 28th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Apologies Murray for taking so long to reply. Been having computer problems and it has taken a wee while to reassure my DH that raw milk is a good thing. A few of my friends would love some raw milk also, so was wondering if you are still interested, and what you had in mind re coming to Melbourne. Do trust you have received a wonderful amount of rain from this last front that is coming through.
May 9th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
It’s ok Marion been a little busy ourselves. will be coming down this month, what about a new plastic 20 litre container full. Would that be enough? Let me know if you have a P.O box or leave a private mess on the real milk forum (emduk) Concern is not milk groupies just industry big brother types. And yes things are looking a lot greener since some rain, would love some more
May 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Hi. Murray I am keen to get on your list if interested people looking for raw organic milk.I am in country victoria, up near Marysville, but also in Melbourne weekly. Not sure how to use this site to get your info. Rgds, heidi
May 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Hello Joanne,
I’m very interested in raw cream and butter ,which I used to get from Pat McCarthy up near Toowoomba, however the drought has curtailed his dairying unfortunately. I live about an hour from Byron.
May 21st, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Graeme
The only raw milk you can get here is the Cleopatra’s raw milk from the local health food shops. We are hoping for a dairy farmer to show up (the other one fell through) who wants to do a herd share. Emily, the Weston A Price chapter leader for Lismore is looking for one also.
Please, anyone around our area who knows a dairy farmer, ask them if they want to do a herd share with us.
Joanne
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Hello Heidi,
Hang in there, things are on the move so stay tuned. Doing a delivery this weekend with further to follow when proper arrangements are in place. Special thanks to Joanne for “connecting” us with Maree. It all sounds ultra promising
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Hi I’ve been using raw goat’s milk in Adelaide but would love to switch to raw cow’s - I ‘ll contact real milk Australia about it. I’ve contacted a biodynamic farm who said that they used to sell it but it was made illegal in SA.
At the moment I either kefir the cow’s milk or add junket powder to help predigest it. Unfortunately you can’t get junket powder or tablets in the supermarket anymore but if anyone is interested you can email info@simplyjunket.com.
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Oops that email should be
info@simplyjunket.com
with no full stop at the end.
May 26th, 2007 at 12:46 am
Marie, I get raw cows milk and divine cream in Adelaide can let you know if you are keen. Email me off list nicolebrammy@tne.net.au might see you at Sally Fallon?
May 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Hi Murray, glad to know you have got some deliveries in Melbourne when you come down, as the timing has not turned out too good for me, at present, to get the milk. All the best.
Jun 13th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
We have been drinking Cleo’s milk now (our choice, of course!) for about 6 months. My daughter is very sensitive to pasterised milk (2 sips of her Nanny’s tea which used pasterised milk and she started reacting!) but is OK on raw milk (so I make our own icecream, buttermilk, sour cream, keffir, etc) and even DH won’t drink anything else now.
We are from Brisbane and I heard there was a herdshare up here - could you point me in the right direction please?
Natalie
Jun 17th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Natalie, Julie Phillips, the Brisbane Chapter leader for the Weston A Price Foundation, has give me the details of the herd share contact. Please email me through the contact form on this site.
Jun 20th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Do you know where we can get raw milk in Perth WA. Thanks.
Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Tracey,
I’ve managed to google up:
http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/prodPerth.php
which lists a few places in Freo which might have it. Also on that page:
Real Milk: Organic milk available from Peaches in South Fremantle.
A source of raw milk may be available by phoning Viharo on 08 9331 2607.
Good luck.
Jun 29th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
I just read thru the realmilkaustralia.com website. Am I incorrect in thinking that “Real Milk” is just another organisation that will “certify” certain milk producers? Much like the Organic or BioDynamic certification agencies.What we really need, I believe, is the right to choose our own products for consumption. Not just another regulator under a different guise. I may be wrong. Please correct me if I am.
What I’d like to see is a TRUE C.S.A system in place, where the farmer, be it meat or dairy, has a real relationship with the local consumer.
We’re all on about being environmentally friendly, and the CSA system would cut out not only transpoetation costs, but also the corporate middlemen, so the farmer could get more for his produce, delivered to the consumer at (probably) massive savings.
Jul 1st, 2007 at 9:34 am
If you are looking for chemical free pasture fed Bath Milk and Body Cream (and soon Body Butter) in Melbourne email me on aicoaching@bigpond.com. We have a drop off in East Melbourne for family and friends each Tuesday.
Jul 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Sorry the email above should read aicoaching@bigpond.com
Jul 1st, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I’m wondering if Tracey has had any luck sourcing raw milk in Perth, I’d be very interested in any info you may have found/ thx
Jul 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Dear crrrock,
“Real Milk Australia” is a not-for-profit campaign to see the legislation put in place to allow the sales of healthy organically fed unpasturised milk in Australia. This would be achieved through some kind of certification process that ensures that the milk is healthy. We are not seeking access to unpasturised milk from any old dairy out of the devondale tankers, rather milk that is sourced from a healthy farm where cows eat grass. Real Milk/Real Milk Australia are not selling or certifying the milk.
Joshua
Jul 2nd, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Crrrock, cool name to type. I totally agree with you re: CSAs. Infact, that’s the only way I see raw milk working. I don’t know how their going in Melbourne with the Cleopatras Bath Milk. Unless they freeze it and send it, it’s bound to sour. You can’t transport raw milk without it souring. It’s the jiggling apparently. So here’s my vision: All Australians sourcing real milk from real farmers at real farmer’s markets - all over the country. Every dairy herd is connected directly with it’s neighbouring humans. Kewl dream hey!
Jul 9th, 2007 at 11:38 am
anybody close to parramatta or seven hills distributing the Cleopatra milk? i live in seven hills and if anyone close by or round abouts is interested in starting up a weelkly order (need to order 2 crates of 9 x 2 litre bottles) then i would be most interested in hearing from you.
corey hunter: yeroch@optusnet.com.au
thanks
* this is a wondeful website by the way - so much info it’s great!
Jul 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
I am in Brisbane, and would like to know where to get in touch with the Herd Share program people? What are the contact details? I have been looking around for this for months now. Can someone show me how to get the contacts? Thanks.
Jul 16th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
I am interested in raw milk. We did have a supplier in Coffs Harbour where I live, but they no longer have enough left to sell direct to the public. Does any one know where I could get any raw dairy (milk, cheese etc) from this area or on the internet.
Any help will be much apprecieated.
Jul 20th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Hi! What a great magazine! I am from the Adelaide Hills and want to source some Raw Milk. I am also extremely interested in being part of a herd share. Is there anything underway at this stage? Cheers!
Jul 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Thanks Olivia. I will email the person who left the message about Adelaide. See if they’ve gotten anywhere. Will get back to you.
Angie, try Julie Phillips, Weston A Price Chapter Leader for Brisbane. She will get you in touch with who you need to contact. Her email is foods[at]ihug[dot]com[dot]au.
Jul 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Hi!
A source of delicious 100% organic unpasteurised jersey milk is available in Victoria through Aphrodite Bath Milk. They sell their milk through a number of health food stores which are listed on their website. http://www.aphroditedairy.com/
Sep 13th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
For those on Sydney’s Northern Beaches, Cleopatra’s Bath Milk is available in Manly. Specifically at Pure Wholefoods 10 Darley Road Manly.
Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Hi there!!
I just wondered if there was any news on a herd / cow share program in the Adelaide Hills. Or even if anybody knows of a Jersey Dairy farm that would be happy to sell milk direct in the hills. Cheers!!
Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Good News
Aphrodite Bath Milk is now available in NSW at the Alfalfa House in Newtown, and some other places. Well worth trying, genuine certified organic, grass fed from a single herd. Awesome REAL milk - you will be surprised how good it is - as they say “MILKS AIN’T MILKS!”
Sep 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
how is a herd share formed? I would like to form one in my local area.
Sep 18th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Wes and I are working on herdshare.com. We’ll let you know when it’s up and running. Mean time, check out http://www.realmilk.com
Sep 21st, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I am interested, but I live in Sydney.
Sep 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Great news! We hope this means that raw butter will be available.
Sep 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Thanks Joanne,
I am grateful to hear there is someone organising herd share in this area. I am from Alstonville and very much interested by the project. Please keep me posted with your progress.
Oct 3rd, 2007 at 8:10 pm
I am intereasted to get raw milk about 100 kg for my researches, but not organic milk any one can help
Thanks.
Oct 10th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Hi There,
You are damn right. I was brought up on good quality clean real milk in India and for 24 years I have had no issues and loved my 2 glasses of milk daily. I was a fool to belive that pasturized milk is good for me. No wonder I see so many problems eating all processed food for the past 6 years. I would love to get my RAW milk if I can get it somewhere close by to Ferntree Gully Victoria. Pls let me know if there is any suppliers for the same closeby.
Thank you for this great eyeopener.
Rajiv
Oct 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Hi
I was wanting to connect with Murray the farmer. Where do you live? I’m in Bendigo & wonder if that is the area of Victoria you are in.
Otherwise I’d be keen to hear from anyone who is in Central Victoria and would be willing to supply raw milk for my ‘beauty regime’! I understand that Cleopatra & Aphrodite Bath Milk products are possibilities too.
Until yesterday I didn’t think sourcing raw milk was going to happen but I feel I’ve stumbled on a secret world! As they say ‘where there’s a will there’s a way’ and I love everyone’s committment and responsibility to their health. Would love to hear when a herd share project gets up & running.
Oct 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
I live in Turramurra and would also be interested in sharing cleopatras milk with anyone local
Oct 21st, 2007 at 6:19 pm
If you are on the north end of the northern beaches in Sydney, Searl’s health food shop in Avalon stocks Cleopatra’s milk.
Oct 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Hi to everyone out there. Joanne I am just in the process of starting up an ice cream and yogurt business using organic and hopefully local products. I am located in the Byron Shire. From what I have read I gather that is probably illegal for me to make ice cream from raw milk to sell to the general public? I really want to get involved with the farmers markets but have been told a the local dairy I want to get my milk from needs to be registered with the farmers organization. I really want to offer a healthy alternative for people who enjoy ice cream and yogurt. Can you help me.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 11:49 am
Joanne, I am interested in investing in the herd share.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 11:55 am
My mum was brought up on a farm with her 7 brothers and sisters and ate nothing but food grown on the farm and drinking good ole fashioned milk straight from the cow to the kitchen. I remember as a child loving spending my school holidays on the farm and drinking loads of Nana’s milk from her cows and watching her milk the cows. It is funny, even though I didn’t know the logistics behind the differences in the farm and commercial milk, as a child I naturally developed a tendency to want and enjoy the raw milk alot more than commercial milk.
Oct 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Rose, to operate outside the system is problematic for sure. I’d suggest you use pasteurised cream for your ice cream until RealMilkAustralia.com has achieved their goal of certifying raw milk in Australia. Since cream is lower in proteins and still contains many of the nutrients real milk has in it, using it will suffice for now. (CLA is missing, calcium is harder to assimilate, but Vit A and D are still present) We would recommend your product if you used real egg yolk and rapadura sugar (not refined in any way), honey or maple syrup. Yoghurt is cooked anyway so I can’t see why you would be required to start with pasteurised milk. I get yoghurt from a local dairy which has been made from the raw milk. It’s beautiful. I’m pretty sure she sells to businesses locally.
Your idea sounds great and may work in with the herd share. I’ll send you an email offline about it.
Oct 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
our ice cream only uses real egg yolks and also we are using maple syrup, agarve syrup and rapadura as sweeteners. It tastes great and is exciting to produce something that can be an alternative to those people out there who like a treat but who are also conscious about their health and the health of the environment. Thanks for replying to my inquiry.
Oct 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Hi Rose
Where do you sell that delicious tasting icecream? I will be in Byron Bay next weekend & would love to find out where I can taste test.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 9:35 am
There is a health food shop in Bellingen 40 min drive south of Coffs Harbour that supplies Cleopatra’s Bath milk and frozen raw goats milk. I dont like the taste of goats milk much but boy oh boy have I been sleeping good after drinking it. I have never had fresh goats milk so I am guessing freezing it alters the taste. Here is there website: http://www.kombuwholefoods.com.au/acatalog/shop-news.html
I always phone them to make sure they have fresh bath milk in stock before I go for the drive.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Lowanna, the owner of that shop is a friend of ours. Hello Lowanna. She is indeed very wise with the choices she makes in her shop. It would be great if a dairy close to her decided to provide unpasteurised milk through a herd share. The customers are already there.
Oct 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
I just came accross another Organic shop that sells Cleopatra’s bath milk and frozen raw goats milk in Coffs Harbour. They are situated down the jetty area. Here is their web address: http://www.thelittlelarder.com.au/
Orders have to be in by wednesday and it is sold in the normal 2 litre milk bottles.. They recieve the fresh milk on Fridays and are also open Saturday.
I think the main reason we dont see raw milk being sold legally for drinking today is that the government cannot tax such an easily produced natural product. The poorer half of the world bred up on raw milk are alot healthier and live longer than Westerners these days which is because we are eating highly processed foods our bodies were never designed to digest or function on. I know for a fact that drinking raw cow’s milk will help you lose weight, sleep better and function better. I think the government wants to brainwash city folks into thinking that it is extremely dangerous to drink raw cow’s milk, this way they have them under their thumb having them think pastuerized is the only option. Now they control the milk industry and apply heavier taxes to it each year. If time brought taxes as high as the taxes on cigarrets to milk then a black market would start in the raw milk drinkers, Why would you pay such taxes on something so easily produced. Pastuerized milk drinkers have no option but to buy it. If all people in Australia knew how healthy it was to have raw milk and how easy it is for your stomach digest, they would demand it ! I do ! My granparents were always healthy on it, and both grandmothers lived well into there 90’s without walking sticks or the likes. Another thing is that its rediculous smokes are allowed to be sold when its apperantly the highest cause of death in the western world.. Raw milk never had these figures or anything even like it yet raw milk is banned and smokes are legal… Just goes to show how much money the government is making out of smokes.. Roughly $10 out of every pack sold. Public demand may see smokes banned in the future although the government has a new strategy in place to hook elderly bored people with money into playing pokie’s !!! Pokie’s are designed for revenue.. NOT PAYOUTS !!!!
Nov 1st, 2007 at 11:17 am
iv been experimenting with diets for ten years now, at one point i was on what is called a primal diet, consisting mainly of raw meats and dairy green juices, i did it for three years , became very robust and healthy but would go through awful detox. in the end the detox became overwhelming to the point of scareing me off the diet. i went back to eating junk for years, now im returning back to healthful eating,but want a gentle approuch that is effective, im curiose about Sally fullons perspective? im going to purchase her book and try it out. i currently consume three bottles of Cleo raw milk each week(made into unheated yogurt), which i get from
info@abundantorganics.com.au, they are in the penrith area but deliver sydney wide including the blue mountains.
however they do not stock raw cream, cheese or butter. I live in the blue mountains (springwood) and would like to source these raw products or partake in a heard share program, any one know of some contacts?
thanks in advance
Nov 1st, 2007 at 11:45 am
Nick, hopefully the herd share idea will spread and people will go for it. Especially since there is so much controversy over selling raw milk through health food shops. We can sell you Sally Fallon’s book. We haven’t finished the shop but have stock. Send me an email through the contact form above and I’ll get a copy to you pronto.
Welcome to the Nourished Community. Good to have you here. I’d love to hear more about your primal diet experience. Was you detox like what Wes and I experienced on the Real Raw Milk Cure.
Nov 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
It is such a wonderful product, I have a friend who consumes it here in Victoria. Unfortunately they live in the Gippsland area, a little too far for me to get milk on a regular basis. Is there anywhere closer to the city to purchase raw milk? I am in the Belgrave area.
Nov 6th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Joanne, my detox was very extreem over three years i went in and out of what was supposedly detox, i have my doubts as each time it came back the symptoms got worse, this diet was extreem, i was eating 2 litres of raw turned
milk every day, one and a half litres of green juice(parsely,celery and other greens) ,1 to 2 kgs of raw meat each day,
avocado’s , tomatoes, and small amounts of fruit like oranges, papaya etc. some stages of the diet i was eating the meat turned(green). there were times where i felt intensly alive and my body and complexion was transforming, but other times i would become very sick, once i had such intense pain in my kidneys i could not get out of bed for two days, i litraly thought i was going to die. the less intense detox consisted of just extreem sleepiness where i would have to sleep no matter where i was. after three years on this diet there were more days of detox than feeling good,
my teeth started to bleed at the gums, become loose and i had foul breath(halitoses). This was the symptoms that broke my resilience, i contacted the Auther of the primal diet(Arjunus Vandaplanitz) he told me that the toxins being released into my blood stream from the detox where cancling out essential vitimans and minerals .He prescribed large Quantities of Cabbage Juice, i tryed this for about a month with no success, Doubt, fear and mistrust got the better of me and i gave up the diet, went back to eating junk, felt better within days. i would never know what the outcome would have been if id kept going and i still dont know if it was detox or just my body telling me this way of eating is not healthy. Incedently i had a freind start the primal diet at the same time as me, he was more lazy with it and only ate meat and nothing else, that was ten years ago and he is still to this day is on the diet eating only meat every day. He looks reasnobly healthy and strong in the body(complexion is always a bit off though) and seems to be existing Quite well on it. its hard to say if it is working for him as i dont know how he would look if he had spent the ten years eating a normal diet.
however for me cooked food is a central (pleasurable)shareing experience with friends and family. These things considered along with my past experiences with extreem diets, i am on the search for a way of eating that is nurturing and supportive to my health, lifestyle and spirit. There are so many diets on the internet, with so many concepts and theorys of what is the best or most natural way to eat(check out Blindguru.com for example). This abundance of information is overwhelming, everybody seems to contradict each other( exept for some key points regarding refined carbs).
i am now just experimenting and will find out what works through seeing the effects over time, i have just been trying the Anti Estrogenic diet by Ori Hofmekler, my body became very toned and well built but my complexion and eyes became pale with dark rings beneath them?
so now i am going to try using the princibles of the western.a. price foundation, i have sourced some raw butter, cheese,cream and milk, organic grass fed meat, offal , Sour Dough bread (bills organics),as well as a small portion of organic naturaly preserved(nitrate free) smoked bacon and sausage(Eumundi Smokehouse). I have been consuming all these foods along with some organic fruit and veg this week. i have been feeling nuasius with a head ache and reflux during the day( iv been eating the bread in the mornings and lunch which iv cut it out today to see if that helps) but at night iv been feeling quite energitic after a meal of just vegitables, meat, fat, fruit.
iv noticed that over the last week since eating this way i have lost muscle tone and some weight, which concerns me as i am 6ft 5 and lose wieght very easy. im not interested in losing weight only to be healthy
my throat feels as if im about to get a cold, yet i havent got one.
the other thing iv noticed is my stools have lost thier bulk and do not feel very good.
i have some Questions…
* does this diet make your body go into ketosis, iv heard that that is not good for your body
* on the western.a. price web site it advises to avoid frying foods yet the sample menu’s of the members all include frying every day?
*how much grain products are recomended to eat per day, is it acceptable to eat sour dough bread made from a commercial bakery. ie one that hasnt soaked the whole grain first and milled it themself.(do you know of a bakery that does do this)?
*does it take time for your body to adapt to eating so much fat, would this be why im experiencing nausea and reflux?
i will probably have many more Questions over the coming weeks, i have orded Sally’s two books, so they may answer many of my Questions however they wont arive for 14 days. in the meantime it would be good if there was a way to get some support.
does this site have any Question and Answer forum, iv seen the “Ask Sally” section however cannot see any way to post a Question?
thanks
im looking forward to reading Sally’s Book and implementing here ideas
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Nick, send me an email with your questions for Sally once you have received her book. (You’ll probably answer most yourself as you read.) As to your current questions:
Design your diet so it doesn’t make you go into ketosis. ie. protein and fat and carbohydrates. I think the WAPF says to avoid fried foods because they are usually fried in vegetable oil. A new fangled oil never used by humans before industrialisation. Yes it does take time for your body to adapt to eating fat. Use Swedish bitters when experiencing nausea and add bitter greens to every meal. If it continues, however, check your liver function with a practitioner.
Your journey sounds amazing. Have you thought about starting a blog?
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:53 am
thanks for your reply Joanne, when you say bitter greens do you mean dark green leafy vegitables like parsely and kale
Nov 6th, 2007 at 11:53 am
thanks for your reply Joanne, when you say bitter greens do you mean dark green leafy vegitables like parsely and kale
Nov 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
yep and dandelion, endive, spinach and rocket etc. Spinach should be cooked the others are ok raw.
Nov 6th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
thank you for your answers Joanne, i have one other question…do you know of a bakery that i can get sourdough bread that has been made from freshly milled soaked grains?
Nov 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Nick
In a sour dough bread it would even be ok using grains that have not been soaked prior to milling… due to the very long rising time of the dough in a acid environment.
Nov 8th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Have the guide lines for starting a herd share available yet? I live i country victoria and would love to start one.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Can someone help me answer a question please? I have a sick daughter and have only just started buying Cleopatra’s milk. I need to buy it in bulk and freeze it. Is it OK to freeze it in 2 litre plastic bottles? ( I read somewhere that freezing in plastic isn’t good???)and how do you stop it going “lumpy” when you defrost it ?(my daughter won’t drink it with the lumps!!) Thankyou!
Nov 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Hi Nick,
Good to hear of someone else in Australia following Aajonus’s Primal Diet. I thought I was flying solo here. I’ve followed the diet for about 2 years with great results and have not suffered anywhere near the detox symptoms that you describe, only one major episode (lasting about 2 weeks) and lots of minor stuff which I often welcome. I guess the degree of symptoms experienced is relative to your levels of toxicity and also your ability to tolerate them. I’m somewhat disappointed that you elected to stop the Primal diet when it appears that it was working just as it was intended, however in my opinion you are on the right track in following WAPF principles if you require a more social approach to nutrition. Interestingly, one of your questions suggests that you have experienced nausea and reflux due to increasing your fat intake as suggested in Nourishing Traditions. The Primal Diet requires huge amounts of fat ( in fact Aajonus suggests liberal consumption of raw butter, coconut cream or eggs with virtually every meal), so it seems odd that you are only now sourcing raw butter and cream. I eat so much of these items (even by Sally’s standards) that it would be impossible for me to consume any more. This could explain your inability to deal with debilitating detox symptoms, as explained in Aajonus’s weight gain/weight loss cycles in order to remove deep toxicity within fat stores.
I have good experience with both Aajonus’s and Sally’s diets so feel free to discuss these matters either openly on this forum or personally if you prefer. As Joanne rightly suggests, Nourishing Traditions is compulsory reading.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Welcome Scott. Thanks so much for the clarity. Your experience with Aajanous’s work is very valuable. Thank you for sharing it and please feel free to continue to do so. I’ll endeavour to follow up Aajonous for a contribution to a future edition of the mag. Meantime, have you thought of starting a Nourishing Blog. I’m sure the community would benefit from your experiences as perhaps you would from sharing.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Derek,
To stop lumpy defrosted milk thaw slowly in fridge and blend with hand held or upright blender. The cream should re-emulsify. Sally Fallon corrected me recently when I told a friend that freezing milk kills some enzymes. In fact it doesn’t harm the nutritional quality of milk at all. If your child is immune depressed, may I suggest you try giving her Kefir for a while to ensure she slowly rebuilds helpful bacteria. You can make quite nice smoothies with fruit and honey.
Amy, check the realmilk.com website for herd share agreements that are currently in use in US. we would need to change them slightly for local law. you’ll need to employ a lawyer. Join RealMilkAustralia.com to add your voice to those who are trying to legalise raw milk and create a certification system.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Thanks for your help Joanne. I take it as far as you know it’s OK to Freeze in the plastic bottles?
Nov 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
hey scott, thanks for the invite , my friend is still on the primal diet, mabey we all could get togther some time and share our experiences, who knows you may inspire me to try it again, i hear what you say regarding the fats, i was really struggling to get enough fats, back then i could not source the raw cream and butter. Do you live any where near Sydney, i live in the blue mountains.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Yes Nick, I live in Camden in Sydney’s south west so a meeting could be easily arranged. I would enjoy meeting with both you and your friend. Joanne’s suggestion of starting a blog on the subject of The Primal Diet sounds great. I’ll definitely do it soon. I too beleive the information is invaluabe for anyone who regards nutrition as of primary importance. A contribution to Nourished Magazine by Aajonus would greatly benefit all involved as his principles largely support those of WAPF especially regarding raw dairy and the importance of fats.
Joanne, I was very intersted in your exploits with the Real raw milk cure. I have the same degree of ‘experimental duty’ as yourself, believing it to be neccessary to try these things first hand in order to discover the real benfits, and hopefully influence others to do the same. I was most interested that you chose to perform the diet with kefir as I too have found it much more beneficial (from a digestion/assimilation point of view) to use kefir when consuming large amounts (in excess of 1 litre perday) rather than plain raw milk. I have propagated kefir grains and their products (including raw cheeses), originally sourced from Dom, for about 2 years, and would thoroughly recommend that everyone do so.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Hi everyone,
I just found this site and love the awareness and information here. I have an interesting story regarding the Primal Diet. A friend was on this diet very closely for a number of years. Lots of raw eggs, raw milk, raw butter, raw cheese, raw cream, raw beef, raw fish, green juice every morning, some nuts and small amounts of fruit, very minimal grains, lots of raw honey, coconut cream, avocado - only he had salads every day which AV (Aajonus) is not keen on. Also a small amount of cooked meat (organic, free range, grass fed etc) with coconut oil. No processed food whatsoever, no tea, no coffee, no junk, no sugar, occasional glass of wine. He also exercised regularly and has no chemicals in personal care products, cleaning etc. He should have been an absolute picture of health according to the AV principles, BUT developed Type 2 Diabetes on this program. Of course he fits none of the currently accepted data on the Type 2 Diabetes profile - is very thin and fit, under 40, and only eats a whole foods diet. Very interesting isn’t it?? If you read data on Diabetes such as The China Study, it of course links dairy and animal protein to Diabetes - but doesn’t differentiate between raw and processed or cooked, as no studies usually do. Wouldn’t you just love to get AV and Dr. Campbell in the one room and let them debate it out :-) I had a lot of interest in The Primal Diet until this, so am now reserving my judgement :-) A group on the Gold Coast almost had AV here for workshops and consultations last year, but he pulled out at the last minute - if there is another group organising it, then there are groups of about 20-30 people following the program on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane that would be interested in seeing him. I would love to read peoples comments on the above :-)
Nov 11th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
So nice to see people coming together via the site. Makes me smile with pride.
Scott, I wish I was still on the Real Raw Milk Cure. I miss the clarity. Kefirred Milk is superior nutritionally and assimilation wise but sweet raw milk is so-o-o-o yummy. Dom told us that taking the Kefir grains out and storing the fermented milk in the fridge for a few more days increases the nutrient value especially niacin if I remember correctly.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Thats very true. The longer your kefir ‘ripens’ under air lock the greater the nutrient value of the final product. It also takes on a much more effervescent and sour character. I let some ripen and drink some semi-sweet for variety. Flavourings also work well, especially Dom’s kefir de’pollen, where bee pollen is added prior to ripening, again adding further nutritional qualities, and flavour. Your right though Joanne, nothing quite beats fresh raw sweet milk for taste. Oh, and don’t forget that the actual kefir grains themselves have remarkable health giving properties, so when your batch swells to more than you can handle, make sure to experiment with ways in which you can consume them (such as blended in smoothies etc), or just eat them as is.
Nov 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Leisa I can´t help thinking that :
I don´t believe that we ALL have the same genetic make up or that we all need the same amounts of meat, grains etc…..in out diet- I think it is a very individual thing
( I know that N.T don´t agree with me here,
but I combine the principles from NT with blood-type diet ( and soon I´ll use the new genotype book from Dr D´adamo.)
BUT If this guy was a blood-type A or AB - he would NOT benefit from so much meat and dairy - even raw,
if he was type B or in some ways type O - it would be ok and he would have been very fit…
One type diet do not fit all: I got very fat and sick from a low fat vegan diet… my friend lost weight and felt fine
( but did eventual switch to lacto ovo diet)
In Denmark the doctors tell us that:
more than 3 servings of “4-legged” meat pr week - gives 50 % of the population an increased risk of cancer !!
They say they don´t know who - but that peoples genetic make up differ and one day they will know who….
Well according to the cancer registrant here: type A and AB has a much higher risk of developing cancer than type B and O…
and that fits pretty good with BTD that says that type A and AB should get their protein from 2 legged animals , fish, egg, beans, nuts and small amounts of fermented dairy
and aprox 50 % of the population in DK is A or AB… so ?!
Surveys should always been looked at carefully!
maybe there is a reason why 1 size diet does not FIT all !
Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Thank you again Joanne, and everyone, all the comments are so helpful in this journey of health. I am needing some direction, and all of you in your various comments are helping to build a picture of where I am to go next. God bless you.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:45 am
To veronica,
check MacAdam square in Croydon hills
Nov 13th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Hi Leisa
I’m sorry to hear about your friend developing Type 2 Diabetes.
I believe we are all unique and what will be fabulous diet & lifestyle wise for one person won’t work for another. This may mean careful experimenting and tweaking for you in whatever you choose.
I am exploring the blood type diet principles and wanted to quote this from the introduction because for me it captures the angst there is in getting it ‘right’…
“One of the main reasons people get turned off to diets is that the plans are so often cloaked in righteousness. There’s a ‘my way or the highway’ tone to them that leaves people jittery and afraid to diverge even the tiniest bit for fear of falling off their imaginery wagon…the right dietary program is one that you grow into, not one that you jump into all in one day. It should feel comfortable and right, not like a straitjacket…there will always be individual variations according to your height, weight, age, physical condition, and the availability of food… In order for you to truly eat the way nature intended, it has to feel natural…life is too short to worry about the pinch of cinnamon that’s the eighth ingredient in your favourite recipe.”
Eat joyfully and health will follow. Go well.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 10:45 am
What I meant to say about the quote is that it captures for me why there is no need to be angst ridden about food and getting it ‘right’. Maybe it’ll ring true for others too.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Leisa, this article may be of interest to your friend. Food is not the only contributor to disease.
http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/uranium-mercury-and-diabetes
Nov 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
I agree we need to look further than just food- outside influences like pollution is really a big part of the picture.
BTW Miranda well spoken :-)
I agree:
I don´t worry about cinnamon in my cake ( I am a B)
But I know now why ryebread (even sourdough) always made such a mess with me or why chicken left me constipated.
It is just a step on the ladder- might not be completely true but far better than the SAD diet most westerns follow.
Jan 25th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Hi, I am looking for raw cow or goat’s milk in the Southern Highlands of NSW (about 1 hour south of Sydney) Is there any source that you know of around our area?
Feb 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Ingrid, I live in the Southern Highlands. A friend of mine was getting raw milk from somewhere around Moss Vale but it is no longer available. She is now thinking of organising a share cow. I am interested in this too so will let you know if it goes any further. Otherwise, I have seen Cleopatra’s bath milk in that new organic shop (Wild Foods?) in Bowral, but it is expensive.
Let me know if you have any luck and I will do the same.
Mar 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
What a brilliant group! I’m so glad to find you all!
I’m in Canberra and would be very interested in a cow share arrangement, or would welcome the opportunity to share in a bulk purchase of raw milk. We have five children so need more raw milk than I can afford to buy from local health food stores.
Mar 27th, 2008 at 11:03 am
We have hundreds of people interested, based on the Gold Coast. Please keep us informed
Apr 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Scott, I’d love to hear more about exactly one eats on the primal diet. I keep reading about it, but still am n0t clear what one would typically eat in a day - would you mind sharing what you eat for example, and exactly what sort of cuts of meat and how they are prepared? thanks heaps. Im just very curious!
Apr 6th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I’d like to know if there is any movement or progress in the Yass, Young, Harden, Cowra of NSW. Thanks
Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I have been on primal diet for over a year. No eggs, coconut or dairy.
Ive fell of the wagon a bit lately but hope to get back on. I think I was eating way to much fat. I am going to make a few changes.
Apr 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
If a diet makes you sick - stop it! Your body does not need to detox. A healthy diet is supposed to make you feel healthy. It is called “nourishment” for a reason. You are supposed to feel nourished, body and soul. Blood type diets and primal diets are not useful or nourishing diets, and have people twisted up in knots and even very ill, when we could be enjoying food and life with healthy nourishing foods and the people we love. That is what I like about WAP principles - it is possible to live in a healthy way, feel nourished, and enjoy your food. Any diet that makes you so sick you have to force yourself to stay on it is a diet that is not for you! Life is too short! Now please excuse me while I go and have a nice piece of homemade bread with cultured butter and raw honey. Mmmmmmmm!!!!
Apr 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
i am interested in raw milk in Canberra, share a cow !
May 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Hello,
I am looking for raw milk, cheese, butter in Melbourne. Please, help. Or raw goats milk.
Thank you if anyone can advise where to get it.
Tatiana
May 3rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Tatiana, contact Sallie from Aphrodite Bath Milk.
http://aphrodite.nourished.com.au
May 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Hi,
Live in Melbourne - Ascot Vale to be precise and would like to know where or how I can get a hold of raw milk.
Does anyone distribute here.
Generally do health food shops, organic supermarkets that kind of establishment stock this?
Thanks
Kim
May 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Hi Kim,
These are the stockists in Melbourne. http://www.aphroditedairy.com/about
I have had some lovely Bath Milk from Sunny-Brook Health Store in Ormond, and got some delivered by a lovely lady from another shop but have forgotten which one now.
Marion
May 5th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
To Kim
Check out the Aphrodite Bath Milk site. That will give you an idea of where you can get bath milk in Melb. Also I went to the Farmers Market at the Abbortsford Convent recently (next one is 24 May from 8am) and bought some bath milk from a stall. The contact is Simon Schltz of Schultz Organic Farms,T: 03 5598 4249 or E: schulzorganicfarms@gmail.com. He was also selling Organic Yoghurt & Quark. The bath milk came in 1 & 2 litre quantities, price was about $6-7 for 2 litres, which seems to be the average price for this product.
To Tatiana
Re raw goats milk contact Wayne & Wendy Whitby at jwwhitby@bigpond.com They run a goat dairy in north western Victoria.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Thanks to everyone.
Kim, I live in Aascot Vale too. I asked the healthfood store in Coles to order the Aphrodite milk for me. They said they’ll see and will get back to me within the next few days. If we are lucky, we get the milk in Ascot Vale!
I also ordered the Aphrodite milk and butter from http://www.organicworks.com.au
Cheers,
Tatiana
May 6th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
If you are in or around Canberra I have been negotiating with Aphrodite Dairy in trying to get their milk, butter, cream and yoghurt delivered to our area but as yet I don’t seem to have enough numbers (I have approx 12 people at this stage) for them to be comfortable in sending it here. So if you are interested please let me know and hopefully together we can get it here as so far we are only able to get Cleos milk and it is extremely difficult to get on a list for it as supply isn’t meeting current demands. My email is thenourisher(at)optusnet(dot)com(dot)au
Cheers Jodie
May 27th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Hi there,
I live near Murwillumbah and would be keen to join a herd share in the Byron Shire… is there anything up and running at preent?
Cheers
Chrissy
May 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
herdshare.com is now live. Australian readers can subscribe to learn more about herdshares and be informed when one pops up near you. The Byron Region herdshare will be