From Armchair Science, London (April 1938)
There is no substitute for clean, raw milk as a food, so far as children are concerned. Science has not yet succeeded in providing, in the pasteurized variety, those essential qualities that are the only real foundation for a healthy child.
Unfortunately, many grossly distorted statements are current regarding our milk supply. If we are to believe the protagonists of the Pasteurization-of-all-milk-at-all costs Party, raw milk is as good, or rather as bad, as rat poison-although as the Minister of Agriculture recently stated, “the human race existed long before Pasteur was heard of.”
The process of pasteurization was debated in the House of Commons and the suggestion made that no raw milk should be sold for human consumption. This would mean installation of expensive machinery by every supplier, and if it should become compulsory there is little doubt that many small firms would shut down and the business pass in the hands of a few big dealers.
If we are to be compelled to drink pasteurized milk, we should at least understand what pasteurization means. It set out to accomplish two things: Destruction of certain disease-carrying germs and the prevention of souring milk. These results are obtained by keeping the milk at a temperature of 145 degrees to 150 degrees F. for half an hour, at least, and then reducing the temperature to not more than 55 degrees F.
It is undoubtedly beneficial to destroy dangerous germs, but pasteurization does more than this-it kills off harmless and useful germs alike, and by subjecting the milk to high temperatures, destroys some nutritious constituents.
With regards to the prevention of souring; sour raw milk is very widely used. It is given to invalids, being easily digested, laxative in its properties, and not unpleasant to take. But, after pasteurization, the lactic acid bacilli are killed. The milk, in consequence, cannot become sour and quickly decomposes, while undesirable germs multiply very quickly.
Pasteurization’s great claim to popularity is the widespread belief, fostered by its supporters, that tuberculosis in children is caused by the harmful germs found in raw milk. Scientists have examined and tested thousands of milk samples, and experiments have been carried out on hundreds of animals in regard to this problem of disease-carrying by milk. But the one vital fact that seems to have been completely missed is that it is CLEAN, raw milk that is wanted. If this can be guaranteed, no other form of food for children can, or should, be allowed to take its place.
Dirty milk, of course, is like any other form of impure food - a definite menace. But Certified Grade A Milk, produced under Government supervision and guaranteed absolutely clean, is available practically all over the country and is the dairy-farmer’s answer to the pasturization zealots.
Recent figures published regarding the spread of tuberculosis by milk show, among other facts, that over a period of five years, during which time 70 children belonging to a special organization received a pint of raw milk daily. One case only of the disease occurred. During a similar period when pasteurized milk had been given, 14 cases were reported.
Besides destroying part of the vitamin C contained in raw milk and encouraging growth of harmful bacteria, pasteurization turns the sugar of milk, known as lactose, into beta-lactose - which is far more soluble and therefore more rapidly absorbed in the system, with the result that the child soon becomes hungry again.
Probably pasteurization’s worst offence is that it makes insoluable the major part of the calcium contained in raw milk. This frequently leads to rickets, bad teeth, and nervous troubles, for sufficient calcium content is vital to children; and with the loss of phosphorus also associated with calcium, bone and brain formation suffer serious setbacks.
Pasteurization also destroys 20 percent of the iodine present in raw milk, causes constipation and generally takes from the milk its most vital qualities.
In face of these facts-which are undeniable-what has the Pasteurization Party to say? Instead of compelling dealers to set up expensive machinery for turning raw milk into something that is definitely not what it sets out to be - a nutritious, health giving food - let them pass legislation making the dairy-farmers produce clean, raw milk - that is milk pure to drink with all its constituents unaltered.
The above was published in Magazine Digest - June 1938
Armchair Science is a British Medical Journal
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Sep 17th, 2005 at 6:31 pm
Raw Milk is far superiour to processed milk, especially when cultured (with Kefir).
Raw Goats Milk is available in many parts of Australia, however the sale of raw cows milk is illegal to my knowlege, so it pays to know a dairy famer.
Feel free to email me with any questions.
Paul Darrington
paul.darrington@bluescopesteel.com
Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:29 pm
Cleopatras Bath Milk is available in South East Qld and Norther NSW. Sold as a cosmetic, it bypasses the laws. It is also possible to buy a share of a herd ($10) and drink the milk from your own cows. There really is nothing better than ice cream made from fresh raw cream, raw egg yolks, maple syrup and strawberries.
Dec 7th, 2005 at 6:15 pm
have tried it but am worried if its clean enough to dr ink?
Dec 7th, 2005 at 7:55 pm
We have been drinking gallons of this milk for 4 years now. Never once have we had a bad experience. Sometimes the milk goes sour in summer when we don’t get it in the fridge quick enough. If this happens, we just leave it out on the bench until it turns into curds and whey (3 days or so). We then sieve the curds and hang in a cloth overnight and use it in spinach pie or all raw cheese cake. The whey we use for fermented vegies like kimchi.
Dec 7th, 2005 at 8:00 pm
To find out more about the benefits of raw milk and dangers of pasteurised milk products check this link.
Aug 30th, 2006 at 4:08 pm
would like to know more about the job as herd share manager
Aug 30th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
I’ll email you Robert.
Joanne
Sep 28th, 2006 at 7:37 am
I’m trying to find information regarding the health benefits of goat’s milk vs. formula for infants. I have recommended raw goat’s milk to a friend who has just adopted a newborn and have read in the past that this is second best, the first being breast milk. I can’t seem to find the fact sheet on the web. Can you help? Thanks.
Sep 30th, 2006 at 7:35 am
Kimberly
There ar a couple of vital nutrients missing from animal milk. Tell her to use the Weston Price formula. Many practitioners haven’t used raw milk before and will tell you that you are risking allergies. Try to find a practitioner who understands raw milk. You can get a good kinesiologist to muscle test raw milk for the baby for allergies.
What ever you do, get her to read this before choosing soy formula.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/infant.html
Here are some great recipes for formulas. There is a group in Australia buying products from the US which is where you’ll have to get some of the ingredients from.
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html
We’d love to hear how you go.
blessings
Joanne
Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Hi, I am from Sydney, and I’ve been looking for organic grass-fed raw milk for quite sometimes now. Can someone please shed some lights on where to get it?? Thanks Millions!!!
Feb 6th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Hi, I am from the Adelaide Hills in South Australia and would like to know where I can get clean raw milk from.
You mentioned there was a group in Australia buying products from the US to make the Weston price formulas.
Can you please tell me the name of this group. Thanks
Feb 7th, 2007 at 9:39 am
Tracey
I was just in Adelaide, for the Oneness Conference. Beautiful city. I mostly send people looking for raw milk to Real Milk Australia to help lobby to the government for a regulated raw milk supply. There are quite a few people asking for raw milk in your area.I can gather everyone’s details and perhaps you can organise with a local dairy a herd share.
The group that were buying from US experienced trouble with importation. Customs stopped the package as it was so big and we had to pay extra duties, making our group discount worthless. The products are amazing though and better than anything we can get here. It’s best to contact Dr Ron’s, Green Pastures or Radiant Life for products by yourself.
Feb 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Hi and thanks for replying. I will try a couple of dairys and see what they can offer. I will get back in to you if I have any luck.
Feb 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Michelle in Sydney I have found Cleopatra’s bath milk at French’s Forest organic market on Sunday mornings. The guy has been selling it there for a few months now. He also has raw cream, yogurt and cottage cheese.
Mar 12th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Thanks Andrew for the info about the Frenchs Forest maket for the raw milk. I’ve been looking for some where to purchase it on this side of the bridge for ages. You need to arrive early there though. They open at 8 and I arrived at 9 and they had already sold out of the 40 bottles they had with them. I’m trying to convince my friends in the Nth Ryde area to drink raw milk, then I’ll get a home delivery of 11 bottles from A2 milk and split it up between us.
Mar 13th, 2007 at 4:23 am
Michelle & Amanda in Sydney, I found the following list of places elsewhere on nourishedmagazine’s site that are supposed to stock Cleopatra’s Bath Milk:
* Whole foods House - 109 Queen St Woollahra 2025 9363 9889
Was there on Sunday 11th March 2007 & they didn’t have any, and not even a label in their fridge for it. Have only visited here when Fruitgasm was out of stock, and they have been out of stock too. All the same a very comprehensive organic shop. You can get unpasteurised goat’s milk and also little packets of Kefir culture here.
* Fruitgasm - 54 -54 MacPherson St Bronte 2024 9389 9676
This is where I have had the best luck. On Sunday 11th they were out of stock and said they will get more in this coming Thursday. A friendly family run greengrocery, linked to a cafe next door. 2L Cleopatra’s yellow-cap bottle price reduced by $1 about a month ago to $6.95. Yes expensive I know, but am not ever going back to broken milk if I can help it.
* Dr Earth Health Foods - 444 Oxford St Bondi Junction 2022 9389 3404
In the mall, just up from the railway entrance on the same side of the street. Have only visited here when Fruitgasm was out of stock, and they have been out of stock too. I asked a while ago and they said they did sell Cleopatra’s.
* Dr Earth Health Foods - 311 King St Newtown 2042 9519 3495
Haven’t been here yet.
* Life Organic - 125 King St Newtown 2042 9565 1156
Haven’t been here yet.
* Alf-Alfa House Co-Operative - 113 Enmore Rd Newtown 2042 9519 3374
Haven’t been here yet.
Also, courtesy of Gemma Davis’s posting, the following markets are said to stock Cleo’s:
* Pyrmont Good Food market, first Saturday of each month
* North Sydney organic market, third Saturday of each month
* Leichhardt organic market (Orange Grove School), every Saturday
* Frenches Forest organic market, every Sunday
Good books for anyone who hasn’t heard of them are
“The Untold Story of Milk” by Ron Schmid, ND (very recent; scholarly yet very readable)
http://www.bodychoice.com.au/bodychoice/books/theuntoldstoryofmilk.htm
and also
“The Milk Book: The Milk of Human Kindness is not Pasteurised” by William Campbell Douglas II, MD
(written in 1984 & republished 2003, it still has relevant details. This author is somewhat less thorough in citing his sources than Dr Schmid, but is entertaining and idiosyncratic - and rather ascrebic when talking about government bureaucrats who oppose good milk and good sense.
Both of these are available on amazon.com, and Schmid’s book, as well as the essential reading “The Cholesterol Myths” by Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD are available locally from http://www.bodychoice.com.au/bodychoice/books/books.htm
Also for good scientific links that explode the lies about cholesterol causing heart disease, check out http://www.thincs.org
NSW people: we should all be writing letters to our local state political candidates at the moment, to make them aware there are voters who want to be able to choose to buy fresh healthy raw milk - make it legal like in South Australia. Pollies of all flavours tend to listen better when your votes are dangling in front of them!
Mar 20th, 2007 at 12:48 am
Peter,
Thanks so much for all that information! I visited Dr Earth’s Health Foods at Newtown and they did have it in stock. It’s best to ring before you go in case they are sold out and they sell out fast. By saturday they seem to rarely have any. They were happy to order it in for me on a permanent basis if I wanted them to. They don’t keep it in the shop, it seems to be kept in a fridge out the back.
I’ve also been to Leichardt organic market last year and they told me that the guy that used to sell it there doesn’t any more. I’m hoping he’s come back as it’s much closer than Frenchs Forest. The market’s at Frenchs Forest sell it for $5 which is great.
I’ll check out those websites you recommended. Thanks again.
Mar 28th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Hi Amanda!
Thanks for the info on Dr Earth at Newtown and the good price at Frenchs Forest!
I have now also visited Life Organic at Newtown (spick & span little place on King Street just left round the corner from Missenden Road, price $6.45), and last Sunday (25th March 07) I ended up at Alf-Alfa on Enmore road when Life Organic was out of stock. Alf-Alfa is a great place for those who are organically inclined, with large plastic barrels of all sorts of organic produce, as well as the biggest stock of Cleopatra’s in the fridge that I have yet seen. This . 3 bottles set me back $19.75 - that’s $6.5833 per bottle, so I’m not sure how that comes about.. maybe its GST or that gives the strange cents amount! A cool back-to-basics shop though, & a cute cashier! ;-)
Another good book for you:
“The Great Cholesterol Con” by Anthony Colpo, published 2006. This guy is Australian, a fitness trainer from Melbourne, but he has researched the subject with academic thoroughness; his book contains over 1400 references, many of them to scientific papers & studies (Dr Uffe Ravnskov wrote the foreward). Very comprehensive listing of all the major cholesterol studies from the 1950s to now (you’d be amazed how many had no significant result, and how the ones that did were so poorly conducted they make a travesty of science). While many still are flogging the dead horse of low-fat diets, Colpo enumerates modern research that is investigating (after being side-tracked for 50 years) what might be the real possible causes of heart disease (again with references to current scientific research). The book is available in an online version from Colpo’s website http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com , and also from Angus & Robertson http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/products/detailed.asp?bookid=9781430309338&db=au and also Amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/Great-Cholesterol-Con-Anthony-Colpo/dp/1430309334/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-4247545-0152717?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175045634&sr=8-2 ) which has reader reviews posted as well.
Does anyone know if anyone in Sydney or elsewhere in Australia has set up any sort of cow-share programme or co-operative? Sort of like a syndicate owning a racehorse… except with cows instead!
Cheers!
Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:28 am
Hi, I don’t know if this conversation is still active or not. I was thinking of selling sheep’s milk in the same vein as Cleopatra milk, would any one be interested if I did? It’s highly nutrients with double a lot of the nutrients in both cow and goat milk and it tastes scrummy too, or would butter, yoghurt, ice cream (wonder what kind of body care ice cream would come under ;-)) and cheese be better? Also I thought I’d let you guys know they are importing Roquefort cheese from France and it is definitely unpasturized says so on the label and everything. I’m sure you could get a cow or herd share with a diary on the outskirts of Sydney there are a few, they have mostly Holsteins though.
Nessa
Apr 5th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Hi Nessa,
I read somewhere that raw goats’ milk was legal to be sold for drinking in NSW and most other states, it’s only cows’ milk that is stupidly banned from being sold for drinking raw. I’m guessing that sheep or even more exotic milks would slip under the bureaucrats’ noses like goats’ milk. I’d be curious to give sheeps’ milk a try.
If you are able to produce raw sheeps’ milk butter, yoghurt and cheese, that would be fantastic.. although I have forever abandoned margarine and only use butter now, I’m conscious that it’s made with pasteurised cream, which has killed a lot of the nutrients (at least it’s beneficial saturated fat, and not harmful trans fat or reactive mono or polyunsaturated fats).
I’ve never made butter or cheese before and was wondering about giving it a go with some Cleopatra’s, but didn’t want to waste any of my precious limited drinking supply. If you have a number of woolly friends who can supply in quantity so that you have enough ingredient to play with I’d say go for it! The same places with enough common sense and gumption to sell Cleopatra’s skin care (ahem) milk will probably stock your produce happily. If you will sell directly as well, when you are ready perhaps post here and also on the http://www.realmilkaustralia.com forum so we know when and where we can try some!
Apr 7th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Hi Nessa. Do you know where you can buy the Roquefort cheese in Sydney?
Katrina.
May 1st, 2007 at 12:31 am
Hi Katrina,
I found a narrow wedge of Roquefort cheese (complete with “unpasteurised” mention on the back) at my local Coles supermarket. It was one of those mouldy cheeses like Blue Vein and, like BV, proved a bit sharp and smelly for my liking! :-)
May 9th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Hi, just to let you know you can also buy Cleopatra’s Bath Milk from The Green Tucker Store at Forestville in Sydney (between Roseville and Frenchs Forest). You can order it in every week if you wish and it arrives on Tuesday with a good use by period, and they usually have a few spare in the fridge. You can look them up on the internet.
May 20th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Nessa…I hopr you are still around and you get this message because I am desperate to get some sheep milk for my daughter who is seriously ill …sheep milk is one of the few things she can digest and my supply ran out…can anyone help?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Thanks for the info about Green Tucker Store. It’s closer to me so it’s great. I gave them a ring this morning and the lovely person on the phone explained because of the drought there’s a severe shortage of the cleopatra’s milk. Instead of getting 3 cartons in, they only got one and didn’t cover the orders they had. When things get back to normal they’ll have spares in the fridge.
Jul 31st, 2007 at 12:19 am
Ness,
If you are either in Sydney or Victoria, try ringing up Macro Wholefoods as they are usually pretty good at stocking what some Health food stores don’t. I am not too sure, but they may have Sheeps milk too, but it will be pasteurised though as they too have to conform to the law.
For the Sydney locations:
Bondi Junction
31-37 Oxford Street
Bondi Junction NSW 2022
Tel: 02 9389 7611 Fax: 02 9389 0707
Parking: 1 hour meter parking in surrounding streets
View a map
Concord
43 Majors Bay Road
Concord NSW 2137
Tel 02 9021 8511 Fax 02 9021 8500
Parking: Underground parking available, access via Jellicoe St. Unlimited parking in surrounding streets
View a map
Crows Nest
13-19 Willoughby Road
Crows Nest NSW 2065
Tel: 02 9004 1240 Fax: 02 9004 1250
Parking: 2 hours free parking at rear, access via Alexander St
View a map
Newtown (Macro Cafe only)
146 King St
Newtown NSW 2042
Tel 02 9550 5747 Fax 02 9550 5748
View a map
Hornsby
Shop 2009 (Level 2, near David Jones)
Westfield Hornsby, Pacific Hwy, Hornsby NSW 2077
Tel: 02 8401 7111 Fax: 02 8401 7100
Parking: Best entrance for Macro is via Albert Street carpark, on the Yellow level.
View a map
And for the Victoria locations:
Armadale
1068 High Street, Armadale VIC 3143
Tel 03 9947 1111 Fax 03 9947 1100
Parking: Free 1.5 hour parking at the end of William St
View a map
Black Rock
40 Bluff Road, Black Rock VIC 3193
Tel 03 9914 5111 Fax 03 9914 5100
Parking: Beside store and across Bluff Road (100 spaces in total)
View a map
Glen Waverley
Shop 2.200 (Level 2, near David Jones, in Lifestyle Life precinct)
Centro The Glen shopping centre
235 Springvale Road, Glen Waverley VIC 3150
Tel: 03 8804 4688 Fax: 03 8804 4600
View a map
Richmond
153 Bridge Road, Richmond VIC 3121
Tel: 03 9935 8888 Fax: 03 9935 8800
Parking: At rear, access via Judd St
Public Transport: Trams 48 and 75
View a map
Or alternatively, try ringing up your local health food store to see if they can order some in for you?
Aug 9th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Thank you for these supportive information
Just wondering if anyone knows whether Cleopatra’s bath milk comes from pasture-fed cow.
Meaning, the cows eat natural foods (those grasses etc), not those GMO grains and hormones shots.
thanks!
Aug 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Hi all. I managed to loose this thread! I hope your all still here and active :-) I will be offering a ewe share program that allows me to supply raw milk. I will also have cosmetic milk, yoghurt, butter and cheese (limited).
Sheep’s milk is great for allergy suffers. I should add that my ewes are out on pasture all day and night (no pesticide), are not feed antibiotics or hormones. I think that there is no one selling liquid sheep milk in the whole of oz…you might get powdered (yuck!), I’m hoping to change that! Milking will start in December, I could probably get a very limited supply for anyone who is having serious health problems and needs it ASAP. Please email me about your interest @ blackthorn_dairy_sheepatbigponddotcom replace at with @ and dot with .
Please pass on the good news,
Nessa
Sep 11th, 2007 at 3:48 am
There is another brand of raw milk called ” Aphodites Bath milk” this is advertised as cosmetic for reasons we all know and is BFA Certified. (Its comes from Victoria) You can purchase this through the GShealthshop@gmail.com or they are at the Bondi Junction Markets on Friday & Saturday, as well as French’s Forrest markets on Sunday Morning. They have a selection of unprocessed foods:- Ricotta cheese and Real Whey made from Cleopatra Milk. Unprocessed Yoghurt made from raw cows milk and butter. Vege Loaf (awesome) gulten free- grain free - made with sprouted buckwheat, vegies, herbs and seeds. They sell drinking coconuts (young coconuts), coconut oil and coconut flour. You can even buy organic Chicken bone or Beef broth and they have an array of gulten free, soy free, sugar free muffins, chocolates, brownies. They will be soon opening up a store mid Oct 2007 on Oxford St Bondi Junction (opposite Macro’s) which they will aso sell organic vegies and fruit. I buy loads of there produce and it is so yummy & healthy - have to get in early at the markets, cause it all sells really quick.
Sep 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Hi, I am looking for organic raw milk farmers or suppliers on Northeast Victoria especially goat’s milk. I would also be interested in buying goats meat.
kaspa@otakumail.com
Oct 26th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Read more about California Government’s Sneak Attack on California Raw Milk
No more raw milk after January 2008! http://www.organicpastures.com/ab1735_landing.html
Nov 1st, 2007 at 6:43 am
Alert to all Australian raw milk farmers and consumers: our authorities need some educating to learn that ONLY unprocessed raw milk from cows eating only organic green pastures will be healthy and nutritious for you. It has kept traditional cultures alive for thousands of years.
Read the latest news hitting the papers in NSW:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/illegally-sold-unpasteurised-milk-health-hazard-/2007/10/23/1192941040160.html
Only living milk from healthy happy old breed cows brings life. So for now you need to make sure the label says “NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION”
Nov 1st, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Thanks for posting that newslink, Maree. The hysteria against raw milk is hateful and shocking enough in America, but it is even more disturbing to find it here, on our own doorstep. We need to raise awareness and write to the government minister that was mentioned. Perhaps coordinate via the http://www.realmilkaustralia.com forum.
I am incensed that there are faceless bureacrats issuing patently false statements to mislead both the Sydney Morning Herald and the general public, who are too cowardly to allow their name to be attached to the comments. Either they are woefully uninformed, bordering on incompetent, or they are deliberately spreading misinformation, with statements like “Raw milk contains harmful bacteria including e.coli, salmonella and listeria” and “some argue that good nutrients are killed during pasteurisation … but all the science is against that.” Raw milk of course does not automatically contain the bacteria mentioned - they usually get into milk through fecal contamination arising from sloppy handling procedures, and this can occur for pasteurised milk also. And as for “all the science” not being able to prove good nutrients are killed, the Phosphatase Test, which detects if the phosphatase enzyme in milk has been destroyed, was developed as long ago as 1933. Yes, they tested for pasteurisation not by making sure that the bad stuff was inactive, but instead by making sure that the good stuff, needed for robust health and proper nutrition, was dead! .
Another great book that everyone should read (besides Dr Ron Schmid’s “The Untold Story of Milk”) is one called “Enzyme Nutrition” by Dr Edward Howell (only US$9.56 over at Amazon.com - nice & cheap with the Aussie Dollar so good against the greenback at the moment! In fact I think the postage costs more than the book itself, which I found funny). Howell researched enzymes for decades and was convinced by conclusions drawn from over 400 scientific studies that we all have a finite store of enzyme-creating potential and, once used up, our life ends. To give you the potted version of his conclusions, he felt that we should get as many enzymes from our food as we can, so that our body does not need to strip its reserves to make digestive enzymes. Reading the book made a light bulb go on over my head - so that is why raw foods are better! With so much of our food now processed and coooked and pasteurised and packaged, it is all dead and lifeless.. and how can that which is without life be expected to support life? Instead of getting enzymatic help from the food we eat, we are relying entirely on our personal reserves.
That robotic officials guided by misguided and archaic laws can seek to prevent us seeking a live food for our good health is offensive in the extreme. Consider that with good health we will reduce the strain on the hospital system, groaning under the weight of all those who follow officially blessed and/or recommended dietary guidelines. Increasing rates of cancer, obesity, diabetes, arthritis (even in children!) and heart disease is staring everyone in the face. How long will the greedy and the powerful try to deny this in order to cling to their obscene profits? Answer: for as long as we remain quiet and accepting and passive. The Weston A Price chapters in Australia have been established none too soon - and we need to band together under the WAPF and link with other organically minded folk and make our voices heard, loud and clear.
So let’s get big! Let’s get active! Let’s write to government ministers and shock them that there are more of us than they thought. Let’s pin up informantion on local noticeboards. Let’s brainstorm for ideas and action! Big business ultimately doesn’t give a hoot about our health if it detracts from profits, and the government will only listen if we remind them that their jobs depend on us.
Nov 1st, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Oh, I forgot to add.. just found an organic website that reports details of more good folk selling raw milk* at various place in NSW:
Lismore: Cleopatra’s Bath Milk is for sale at Fundamentals Food shop.
Byron Bay: Raw milk is available in Byron Bay if you ask around.
Murwillumba: Cleopatra’s Bath Milk is available at the health food shop (Santosh).
Manly NSW: Cleopatra’s Bath Milk available from Pure Wholefoods Shop, 5/10 Darley Road Manly NSW
By the way, if you want a really enzyme-rich meal, try some Steak Tartare and salad. The Belgian Beer Cafe in Cammeray (and probably the one in The Rocks as well) serves quite a nice rendition of this raw meat dish as “filet américain”, and you probably won’t have much trouble ordering it at any good French restaurant either.
Cheers!
* (for the beautification of your skin, of course)
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 8:50 am
Hear Hear Peter. I totally agree. I may set to writing a draft letter to local MPs for all to use. Any ideas what to include everyone?
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:04 am
Hi all :-)
Just a reminder that from March (a bit later than expected!) I will have raw ewe’s bath milk available (@ $3.00 a litre postage), I can post frozen sheep’s milk all over Australia (they do this in England with no worries) and I may even be able to post fresh refrigerated bath milk-but I will have to investigate. I will also have limited amounts of raw ewe’s bath colostrum available (@ $4.00 a litre postage) and facial yoghurt (@ $3.00 for 500g postage or $6.00 per litre postage) and if anyone expresses demand, raw body butter (100% pure ewes milk cream cultures) and raw face cream (100% ewes milk cream). Milk will be very carefully collected, filtered, cooled and stored with a very carefully managed hygiene regime, I am using USA grade A milk standards as a guide. Just email what you’d like and estimative amounts to be added to my list, I will email regular updates. Also anybody who lives within driving distance to me can call to make an appointment and visit the farm to pick up their bath milk (or other product) and see the girls enjoying life. I also have percentage milk sheep lambs available occasionally, again email your interest and what sex/colour you’d like and I’ll add you to the list. I may have grass-fed lamb available in the future also, if anyone expresses an interest.
Re the newspaper article, this is ludicrous! They are woefully uninformed and are misleading the public, we need to take action. Also as we speak there is a revamp of cheese laws under way, meaning that if enough people support it we may have access to legal raw milk cheese from as early as the new year, I have my fingers crossed.
Nessa
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Thank you Peter for stepping up the pace. I have notified some of my like minded souls this am, so we can all work together to mobilise the troups!! Hope to obtain State Ministerial email details for all to email their comments.
Joanne, putting an example letter together would be great place for us all to work from. Maybe Real Milk Australia and OPDC USA would be able to assist with the specifics.
BTW Victora’s Dairy Food Safety released this Media announcement on 20Sep07:
http://www.dairysafe.vic.gov.au/pdf/DFSV Media Release Cosmetic Use Products final.pdf
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Nessa, that sounds great!!! Sheep yogurt is fantastic. Where are you?
Megan
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Hi Megan,
I’m near Goulburn, NSW about 1 hours drive from Canberra and 2 hours from both Sydney and the south coast.
Nessa
Nov 9th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I have heard from a friend that the guy who sells raw milk in Frenchs Forest in Sydney has been prevented from selling his milk and is no longer doing it.
Nov 9th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
This is bad news - I might scout about at Frenchs Forest markets on Sunday to see if I can find out more from the guy (if I can find him). The SMH article said that a government agency was taking action ïn response to complaints”.. which makes me wonder exactly *who* complained? Surely not anyone buying this worthy cosmetic product. So I am left to wonder if it was some rival shopkeeper..
At any rate, if people want to sell it and others want to buy it, what makes raw milk any different to raw meat? It is a substance that promotes good health, and instead is being treated as if it was some sort of drug of addiction, which is ridiculous. We must mobilise to prevent the quiet supression of a vital health product!
One idea is to find out who are the people negotiating for unpasteurised cheese - the promising rumours that it might be legalised soon could be extended to milk if we could establish the right contacts. Imported raw French Roquefort cheese is already permitted (I’ve seen it at Coles, clearly marked “unpasteurised”) due presumably to diplomatic pressure (vive l’France!).
I wonder if the NSW government knows about the longstanding American “Certified Milk”regulations (which require raw milk quality to conform to government-set standards) - there is both a precedent and a template for our governements to adopt. The facility exists in other countries to allow consumer choice in this matter, and we need it here too. Now.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 8:40 am
Peter,
Will Studd is heavily involved in the raw cheese movement (he commented on it on live TV) do a google search for will studd cheese slices and you should find his website, I have been in contact in the past he is very informative and friendly also.
Nessa
PS http://cheeseslices.com/
Nov 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Join RealMilkAustralia.com to register and join the voices asking for legalisation and certification of raw milk.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Found out this weekend that the drying up of the Frenchs Forest guy has affected supply to a number of other raw milk retailers. The time for stepping up action is here - bureaucrats are dictating with what we choose to put in our mouths. Whoever these public officials are, we have to find them and convince them that the law on this matter is archaic - it stems from unsanitary conditions prevalent in the Victorian era, that either no longer exist, or can be easily overcome today. Moreover, positive regulations can be adopted that guarantee safety, instead of supress a high-quality source of nutrition. If the government can approve of an injecting room in Kings Cross for the legal consumption of heroin, ice, cocaine and prescription morphine (http://www.drugfree.org.au/fileadmin/Media/Reference/DFA_Injecting_Room_Booklet.pdf), then how can they protest against milk? Unless of course they consider raw milk more dangerous than heroin…
And now for a “Living Milk” Recipie! Apparently goat’s milk is not covered by various states’ pasteurisation rules, and so can be sold. Not everyone likes it due to the gamey, goaty flavour, but I have just tried a work-around solution. Having bought the best pasteurised cow’s milk I could find (unhomogenised, organic, and full-cream - the only thing that’s been done to it is pasteurisation, leaving its enzymes stone dead), I poured a litre into a washed 2-litre screw-capped milk bottle. Then I added a litre of unpasteurised goats’ milk, brimming with living enzymes and aromatic goatiness. The result (shaken, not stirred) was quite ok - I could discern the two flavours, but the goat-tang was pleasantly reduced. So there you go.. a compromise recipie which provides (half)life taste!
Don’t forget you can get enzymes in capsule form as well. The most common type I’ve seen in health food shops are in a mainly white opaque plastic bottle labelled “Vegetable Enzymes” (approx $26) and contain Protease (to digest proteins), Amylase (to digest carbohydrates), and lipase (to digest lipids (fats)). The best brand I have seen so far is Bio-Organics (similarly priced), packaged in a clear red plastic bottle and labelled “Essential Enzymes”. This one has not three, but six enzymes (Protease to digest protein, lipase to digest fats, Alpha Amylase to digest carbohydrates, Cellulase to digest fibre, Tilactase to digest lactose, Papain to digest protein) as well as 100mg of porcine-sourced Pancreatin (http://www.nutrasanus.com/pancreatin.html). It also contains a moderate 50mg of Betaine Hydrochloride to supplement the acidity of your gastric juices (http://www.evitamins.com/healthnotes.asp?ContentID=2808009).
Raw milk is so important for our good health as animal based forms of food are supremely enzyme-dense compared to many plant foods. For example, a salad served with a well-done steak will probably not contain sufficient enzymes to assist with the digestion of the steak (having the steak rare or blue will leave some enzymes intact and thus assist your body). Of the plant foods, the ones that I have read about so far that are relatively enzyme-dense are organic, vine-ripened avocados, mangos, and bananas.
Nov 10th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Hey Nessa! Thanks for the Will Studd info - I bought his “Cheese Slices” DVD a month or two ago, but didn’t realise he was a leader in the push for raw cheeses.
Found this interesting article - he’s certainly putting his money where his mouth is! Three Cheers Mr Studd!
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/03/1064988405235.html?from=storyrhs
Nov 11th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Peter, are you saying that the guy at frenchs forest market no longer sells cleopatra milk? Are you kidding? Who would be complaining exactly? Everyone there is into organic products and health foods. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
The crackdown must be more widespread I think. I’m in Canberra and my local health food shop just told me that the Health Department have stopped their supplier from offering Cleopatra’s Bath Milk. I picked up my last three bottles yesterday :( I need to do some detective work to find out who is involved and who to lobby - any advice on what to say appreciated!
Nov 11th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Peter, Sauerkraut, Kimchi, traditional lacto fermented chutneys or a glass of fermented beverage like beet kvass or Kombucha will inject a healthy dose of enzymes to help you digest that steak. Also a broth made from bones or a sauce made with reduced broth will deliver gelatin which acts as a digestive aid and minerals to help with protein assimilation. Eating it rare also ensures B6 is still active helping assimilate protein. And, of course, the fat also helps. How can The Nourisher forget the most Nourishing of all, the fat. Be aware however, that although it is considered the best meat, it was not favoured by ANY ancient cultures. Instead organs were considered by far the most important portion of any beast. Lean meat was eaten dried (raw).
Nov 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I am ready now to email and annoy anybody that will help me get what is my right. That is to choose raw dairy products if I prefer them. I came across to the healthy way of eating and exercising from Paul Chek, who runs a Kinesiology Institute in the US. He is an amazing man and athlete who puts many younger athletes to shame and at 44 years old, has to be seen believed. Anyway, since reading his book it has lead me down the path of finding out the truth of nutrition, which in turn brought me here to this website. I had always felt something was missing in my diet, at one time doing the South Beach, taking Omegatrend and Herbal life products. I have never felt better since getting my hands on raw milk, butter, eggs, coconut and cod liver oil. I haven’t even got to the rest of the options available yet.
There are many self interest groups out there that will make their voices heard to get what they want, nurses, the smoking lobby, pharmaceutical companies, it was people power that managed to get changes to the liquor laws, breaking the vice like grip the Hotels Association had on the government here in NSW.. we can do it and I am in full support of what Peter and Maree talk about above. I want choices on what foods I eat and I will do what it takes to get it.
BTW I went to the article Maree added from Dairysafe Vic, I am fed up and angry that this propaganda is put out there with no supporting statements of evidence. I have written to the author of that document to register my displeasure at what she states as fact.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Hi Amanda, it was Glenn who had the news about the Frenchs Forest chap, but also I had it confirmed from the place I visted yesterday that he was their wholesaler - but how many shops he was supplying, I don’t know. If the shop you use continues to sell, then they will have a different supply source.
I plan on getting in contact with the Sydney chapter of the Weston A Price Foundation this week to see if we could get a meeting off the ground for concerned people.
The NSW Food Authority issued a media release on 23rd October 2007:
http://www.foodauthority.nsw.gov.au/mr-23-Oct-07-warning-consumption-cosmetic-milk.asp
- this contains the blatant ERROR OF FACT (I will call it that to allow for ignorance) that “pasteurisation..has minimal effect on..nutritional value” - how can killing every single enzyme be a minimal effect? One of Dr Howell’s books (he was mentioned above) tells how scientific experiments on animals proved that those fed on pasteurised milk and cooked meat had their life spans reduced by one third, compared to those fed on raw milk and raw meat. And of course flavour is affected - that’s why the cheese lobby is pushing for raw milk cheeses, and the French insist on raw milk for cheese (bless them!).
Their argument that raw milk has not “been through the Food Authority’s stringent food safety management programs” is correct - but the solution is simple: regulate the sale of raw milk in NSW so there is regular testing of cows, dairy staff and product, just as is already done and has been done for years in places in the United States where raw milk is officially “Certified”. It’s not impossible to do, and is the obvious way forward.
Nov 11th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
It seems from the ABC article above that the NSW government Minister we need to lobby is
The Hon. Ian Michael MacDonald, Minister for Primary Industries
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/members.nsf/0/75B5906290A3DD464A25672E0002E1D8
Nov 12th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Hi
My name is Nicholas, it has recently come to my notice that you and your goverment officials are currently trying to stop the sale of Raw milk ( for Cosmetic purposes), i am a person who purchases this raw dairy product. My health is dependent on this product, the lable on the milk cleary states “for Cosmetic purposes only” the suppliers do not sell this product
for human consumption, however if the consumer chooses to consume this product this is the consumers constitutional right and no goverment or any other person has the right to take this choice away from us.
there is a massive underground market for this product, if the goverment does not want it underground then legalise it and regulate it. Just as any illigal substance it will always find its market anyway.
i will be joining the campain legal and otherwise to stop my right to “freedom of choice” taken away, you can be sure that there will be a huge wave of people joining me.
please allow raw milk products to be sold, better still regulate it so the conditions for healthy raw milk is maintained.
thankyou
Nov 12th, 2007 at 8:18 am
I recently posted about the Raw Milk shenanigans all over the world. It is a full scale world wide attack. But The Nourisher is here to save the day. I’ll put some ideas together for a post that will help everyone pen their own letters and emails to their local MPs and the the honourable Ian MacDonald.
Arabella, Melbourne WAPF chapter leader and organiser of RealMilkAustralia.com recently went to the Dairy Assoc Conference. They spoke about Raw Milk and said there would be no certification until there was consumer demand. So telling your friends about raw milk and getting them to register with RealMilkAustralia.com will help. But how can you introduce people to raw milk if their is none to give them to try?
Try creating a herd share local to you. That way you’ll sit out this raw milk drought in relative comfort and be able to build a new movement in food politics. One that creates local economies, increases consumer responsibility and takes back the power from Big Agricorp. Slowly..slowly..we will win.
Nov 12th, 2007 at 8:34 am
the above is what i wrote in an email to Ian Macdonald ,im not sure what i should have written(im not experienced at writting to goverment) but at least iv spoken my truth, i urge every body to write. I for one am willing to fight this ignorence, we put up with living in a system (corperate machien) that suppresses and controls our lives. We are told we have free will, yet in this culture by the time we have finished school we are sufficiently confused and or indoctranated and to add to this most likely Addicted, it can take years if not a life time to see through the lies and by then we are dependent on the machien. There is a way out and not unlike the matrix(the movie) it is by seeing reality, however its not as easy as taking a pill, i belive we have to see through our own internal mental/emotional illusions, in my experience (my daily practice)this takes great amount of consciosness built up through diligent and persistant witnessing of ones own conditioning.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:42 am
I contacted Mr. MacDonald via Email on the 8th of October after noticing his comments in a local newspaper. I will await a response and then publish both on this forum. It was very interesting to note that he actually grew up within the dairy industry, and most likely therefore drank raw milk like every other dairy family I know. I took up this point in my email as it suggests that there are agendas other than ignorance at play.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Helen,
I might have a cowshare available in a couple of my cows (jerseys) next year if you’re interested-I’m one hour from Canberra and I plan to start coming across to the farmers markets next year. As already stated I’ll have various cosmetic sheep milk products from next year-prices in above post plus postage.
Nessa
Nov 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Nessa,
Thanks! I’m very interested - please count me in if your Jersey shares become available. I’ll contact you by email.
I have heard that the reason Cleopatra’s Bath is gone at my local health food shop is that the wholesaler had also been selling a raw yoghurt - i guess there were no appropriate caveats about ‘not for human consumption’ - they will no longer be supplying Ceopatra’s milk or the yoghurt, but i don’t think other wholesalers are affected so long as they stick to the cosmetic rules. Might this be what happened to the French’s forest guy?
Helen
Nov 14th, 2007 at 6:39 am
Hi Nessa and Helen (and everyone else),
Nessa - I too would be very interested in raw Jersey milk I too am in Canberra and it looks like my store can no longer get Cleopatra’s either we usually go through approx 20 litres a week (family of 4-5). Please keep me on your radar for next year.
Helen - where do you usually get your milk from? I was getting mine from Wilson’s Organics in Farrer, I have heard that Mountain Creek Wholefoods in Griffith are still getting some so perhaps they are through another supplier I will have to find out.
Cheers Jodie
Nov 14th, 2007 at 8:30 am
Hi
If you are living near the Sydney City area, here are the places where you can buy raw milk.
* Dr Earth Health Foods - 311 King St Newtown 2042 9519 3495 Cleopatra
* Alf-Alfa House Co-Operative - 113 Enmore Rd Newtown 2042 9519 3374
Cleopatra or Aphrodite (from Victoria)
Macro in Bondi (near the mall) Raw goats milk
Newly opened Dr Earth in Bondi last week !!! YES (the walkway, in front of KFC) Cleopatra
I have been to these places and i recommend them =D Dr Earth sells cheap Cleopatra at $5.75 altho the one in Bondi is abit expensive $6
The goat milks are about 2x the price of raw cow milks
Nov 14th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Thanks for the Sydney locationss Yudha.
I was getting my milk from As Nature Intended in Belconnen (Canberra). Yes - they had a different wholesaler to Mountain Creek and are looking into switching to Mountain Creek’s supplier themselves. If that works out, I’ll let everyone know. Another possibility might be doing a group order through the ANU Food Co-op? We use 8-10L/week, so between us and Jodie, that’s 30L already. Any others in Canberra?
Nov 15th, 2007 at 7:45 am
Hello Helen I live in canberra and am very interested in procuring a reliable source of raw milk i use about 6 litres a week my email is guygreen72@hotmail.com. I used to get cleopatras milk from a health food store at belconnen markets and was very frustrated to find that the wholesaler had been banned from distributing it. Dose anyone know who to write to to complain of this undignified patronization of my choice to consume the foods of my choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Just an update on the Raw Milk issue in NSW.
I went into Pure Wholefoods in Manly today and they told me that Cleopatra’s was no longer available and that all supply had been cut due to the NSW Food Authority crackdown.
I phoned their supplier, who are called Eco Farms, and a lady informed me that it was in fact Eco Farms’ decision to cut supply and that no one else had ordered them to do so. But Eco Farms on the other hand seem to be telling the shops they sell to (at least they told Pure Wholefoods) that they have been forced to stop supplying the milk.
However, it seems that they are just taking a precautionary measure because of what has happened over the last few weeks. I was also told by the lady that Eco Farms may in fact start supplying again at some time in the near future.
I’m not sure how many outlets Eco Farms have been supplying, but please be aware that if you go into a shop and are told that Cleos is no longer available because supply has been cut off due to NSW Food Authority restrictions, firstly ask them whether they are supplied by Eco Farms and, if so, tell them that they have been misinformed.
As far as I know, all the other suppliers of Cleos are still selling to stores. But if you come across a store which does not supply anymore because they can’t get it, put them onto:
Vin, from A2 Milk.
Phone 9980 1770
So that they can order more in for you.
Finally, I would also like to mention that it is imperative that we (and particularly the sellers of Cleos) respect what the legislation currently is with regards to milk being sold for cosmetic or ‘not for human consumption’ and refrain from making a mockery out of it by openly and/or brazenly advertising or flaunting it as a consumable item (including making yoghurt out of it, which is clearly not for bathing with).
This is exactly what a certain stallholder at an organic market here in Sydney has been doing and it is because of this that (I believe) he is now in such deep doo doo with the authorities.
I think his actions may also have largely precipitated the ‘crackdown’ as we know it, and I sincerely hope that this crackdown will not discourage other suppliers from selling Cleos in future.
Don’t get me wrong, I think his intentions were good, but I think the way he went about it was not all that wise.
To be honest, as long as raw milk is available for cosmetic uses, it is still a darn sight better than it not being available at all.
With regards to changing of the legislation in future, I believe that this will take time and one of the worst things we could do is to disrespect the authorities and give them the impression that we are their arch enemy. I personally feel sorry for them more than anything else. Imagine being so blinded by Junk Science?
I think that these things take time and sometimes no amount of lobbying or petitioning can really change people’s mind – at least until there is a changing of the guard.
That is not to say though that we should not make the effort to have out voices heard. Just that I think we will be seen as more legitimate if we don’t blatantly disrespect or criticise those who will ultimately have the final say about whether to change it.
That’s my 2 cents worth anyway.
Happy Bathing!
Nov 16th, 2007 at 6:47 am
Helen, we also go through 8 - 10 litre a week of cleo’s and would be interested in the co-op idea. I’d like to support the local businesses, but if they have problems with what appears to be the one remaining supplier …………
I have exchanged emails with Nessa about the farmers markets in Canberra. It’s not confirmed, but looks like early in the new year for the sheep’s milk, and mid ‘08 for cow’s milk. Stay tuned.
Michael
Nov 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Hi all,
Thanks for the supplier info! I had the same story from Trevor at Cleo’s. Guy - Ada at the Belconnen Markets store has contacted the new supplier and is now anticipating a delivery next week. I’m very grateful to Ada for organising this - I have been a very persistent customer! Hopefully the supply chain can be restored across NSW if we contact and support our usual store owners/stallholders. I do agree about the importance of honouring the authorities on this too - thanks PDAV. It’s a timely reminder which will help me pen some respectful letters.
Nov 17th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Great research PDAV & Helen!
I fully support PDAV’s comments regarding being courteous to the authorities. Antagonising our representatives works against us, not for us. Our real opponents are profit-over-health driven corporations and those whom they might enlist with “research grants” - they want to influence OUR representatives to further the profits of their businesses at the expense of our health and nutrition. We have to politely, patiently but persistently cut through the junk science and paid propaganda and approach the authorities with the truths about the beneficial nature of raw milk, in a way that does not put our cause backward. As the authorities are naturally inclined to regulating and inspecting things for public safety, I’m thinking that by offering them an established and ready-made solution in the form of America’s milk certification rules (as listed in “The Milk Book: The Milk of Human Kindness is not Pasteurised†by William Campbell Douglas II, MD) it might enhance their receptiveness in recognising the importance and value of what should be one of the premier foods in the organic food market.
PDAV’s right that it might take a while, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.. Many of those campaigning 40 years ago for good health by banning smoking may not be still with us to see today’s banning of smoking in pubs and clubs, but they campaigned all the same… and eventually changed public opinion. Let us hold them as worthy role models.
Nov 19th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Hi Joanne et al,
Organic Pastures have put up some sample letters that I thought might help you in writing your own - they are obviously directed to their legislative issue in California but perhaps with a bit of rewording we could use them for our own good here. The address is http://organicpastures.com/contact_lawmakers.html, I would absolutely be willing to put my name and my families names on anything you come up with, I’m not too good at writing letters like that as the anger would get in the way and I don’t think that would help. Also for the Canberrans here Wilson’s Organics should also be getting some raw milk back into stock either this week or next week - I CAN’T WAIT!!!!
Cheers Jodie
Nov 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
I have found another organic shop selling cleopatra’s “bath” milk
It’s called 7th Heaven in Randwick, Sydney just beside the shopping center on the main street.
It sells quite an array of stuffs and i think it worths a visit.
Nov 22nd, 2007 at 7:46 am
I have just found out that apparently Eco Farms were also transporting Cleopatra’s Milk on UN - refridgerated trucks, perhaps this is another reason why they were stopped from selling it especially coming into summer. I wish I had of known that earlier it would have explained why my milk wasn’t always fridge cold when I picked it up especially if I picked it up just after delivery. I will be checking from now on that my milk has come from a refridgerated transport vehicle. It might be something worth checking with your supplier too.
Cheers Jodie
Nov 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 am
Does anybody know if any of the major parties are more sympathetic to the natural food way? I suppose that could also reas which party isn’t as far into bed with the major corporations.
I learnt something regarding Cleopatra too. The story is that supply might be stopped because they have the reference to the WestonAPrice website on the label of the milk containers.
Who says we have freedom of choice?
BTW. i couldn’t sleep, so i got up and had a tall glass of it. Man, it tastes good!
Nov 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 am
Comments on the parties here: http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/not-politically-minded
We are honoured you would share your night waking hours with us Glenn.
Yesterday I was interviewed by The Age, melb. They’re doing a special on raw milk on Sunday. Watch out for it
Nov 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 pm
hehe… thanks Joanne. Thank you for the information. Hmmm… just had a look at the other article, more confused than ever.
I don’t believe in Kyoto ( must confess I am skeptic)… I have read too much damning information on Al Gore and the inconvenient truth team lately.. especially from Aussie scientist Bob Carter. If I ignore Saturday will it go away? I honestly think people power will win the day here eventually, if we leave it to the pollies we have no hope.
Nov 25th, 2007 at 7:45 am
Here is The Age interview you did Joanne. Well done.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/glass-halffull-say-raw-milk-fans/2007/11/24/1195753372749.html
Nov 25th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Thanks Maree. I saw that this morning and here’s my comments.
http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/nourished-in-a-major-newspaper
Nov 25th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Thanks for posting the interview Maree. i had a look for the interview yesterday, but couldn’t locate it. It’s an interesting read
I note with interest that Dr Astin provided comments for the article… I wrote to her recently, funny i haven’t received a reply. I can’t say that i expected any kind of response really.
Nov 26th, 2007 at 7:26 am
What did you write Glenn? Could you share in a comment or a guest post. Email me if you want to guest post on this blog by using the contact form above.
Nov 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Since I wrote that comment i have discovered that she indeed had written a reply. I am happy to put both my email and reply up. i will put both in successive comments.
Nov 26th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Dear Dr Astin,
I refer to your recent release on “cosmetic” dairy products. I find it particularly distressing that you make these exaggerated claims about the safety of such products, when in fact you would likely find a level of hygiene equal to and exceeding most food preparation centres.
The people that would desire to add raw dairy to their diet, have made a commitment to put food/fuel into their bodies that enhance their wellbeing and longevity. It would therefore make no sense that these people would put themselves at risk. Contrary to your claims that pasteurization is safe and has little influence on flavour and nutrition, the process leaves milk dead, devoid of any benefits that raw milk can provide. A little digging will find that pasteurization has in fact contributed to many of the malades that modern living causes. Without even bringing raw milk into the equation, there is numerous evidence that pasteurized dairy products contribute to allergies, upper respiratory infections, strep infections, rheumatoid arthritis to name a few.
While there has been a perceived need for pasteurization in history for example in the early 1900s in the US, there is hardly a need for it now. History says that it was the method of milk handling and feeding that caused the perceived problems with milk in those times. If other food industries practiced the same methods of dairies of those times, we would all be sick no matter what we eat or drink.
If people wish to believe what all the government and corporate advisers tell them, that is fine but we should have the right to choice on whether we drink raw or pasteurized milk. It is my right to consume raw dairy products if I choose to do so and if i want to lead a long healthy life free of the threat of heart disease, stroke and other ailments, I will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal.
The evidence doesn’t lie, governments,self interest groups and corporations do.
Regards,
Glenn Wright
Nov 26th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Dear Mr Wright
Thank you for this email expressing your opinion on the topic of “cosmetic†dairy products. In correspondence to the Weekly Times, I have acknowledged that consumers have the right to their choice of food as long as the safety of the product can be assured. Furthermore, I acknowledge that there is conflicting information in the public domain regarding the case for and against the benefits and risks associated with raw milk and raw milk products.
Given the equivocal nature of this information, and the reliability of some sources, my release serves to provide a caution to both consumers and retailers of food who are not always aware of the potential risks as well as potential benefits associated with products available for sale. My intention is for the public to make their decisions and choices based on all available information.
In your email, you acknowledge that pasteurisation in the past was an effective public health measure and this remains an effective measure today.
I support innovation in the food industry in the interests of improved health and wellbeing. This should not, however, increase the consumer’s exposure to unnecessary risk. This is the role that governments have had and will continue to perform to ensure the protection of public health and safety.
Regards
Anne Astin
Dec 11th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Some good news just in from from Organic Pastures Dairy in California USA
AB 1735 ACTION ALERT
The Final Push
NEXT STEP :
Get Serious with the Secretary of Agriculture
——————————————————————————–
As a direct result of your actions last week, we now have the support of all key assembly representatives to overturn AB 1735.
However, your assemblymen have expressed concern that we do not have the support of the California Secretary of Agriculture, Mr. A.G. Kawamura.
He appears to be the last raw milk challenge standing.
It is critical that we create an avalanche of political pressure like last week, only stronger in message (see below). Please focus all of your efforts on A.G. Kawamura.
Contact the CA Secretary of Agriculture immediately!
Please call him today and send out as many letters and faxes as possible.
A.G. Kawamura
Secretary of Food and Agriculture
1220 N St., Suite 400
Sacramento, Ca. 95814
Phone: (916) 654-0321 or (916) 654-0433
Fax: 916-654-0403
The message to him should be very strong, yet respectful. The talking points we suggest may sound harsh but they reflect the truth (see “Background” below). The Secretary needs to know what has happened on his watch:
Certain corrupt staff members within CDFA have personal prejudice against raw milk. They have participated and conspired in an illegal, secret, and silent process to deny California consumers their access to raw milk.
Demand that the Ag Secretary use his power to immediately suspend or reverse AB 1735 and the “less-than-10 coliform” standard for raw milk in California.
Demand that the CDFA staff who misrepresented raw milk science and snuck the groundless coliform standard into AB 1735 be dismissed immediately.
Background:
We have discovered that certain staff members in CDFA actually committed crimes by “introducing negative language into a bill which would be applied to an industry which it regulates.” This is outrageous illegal activity; it defies written administrative policy and must not be tolerated within CDFA. The normal legal process requires CDFA to bring any legislative language to the attention of the governors office prior to contacting an assembly committee. CDFA misrepresented facts, claiming AB 1735 was so insignificant that it could be handled “as a consent item†and did not require discussion or debate. Other substantial and material misstatements of fact also occurred to keep AB 1735 secret and silent.
This is the big event we have all been working towards. It may be the last effort needed to overcome AB 1735. Please call today and send your letters.
A note from your friends at Organic Pastures
Q. Will Organic Pastures Dairy Company be going out of business in Jan. 2008?
A. HEAVENS, NO - We are growing!
Please rest 100% assured, dear customers, that Organic Pastures Grass-Fed Organic Raw Milk will be sold throughout California after January, 2008. We are adding more organic cows and even building a new creamery!
We are also expanding our marketing and education efforts to better serve you. OPDC has pioneered grass fed raw milk for the 21st century and we intend to continue building a world of happy and healthy people.
All the best, the OPDC team.
Dec 14th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
I am so sick and tired of all this pussyfooting. Something has to be done to make the sale of raw milk legal again, so that farmers can come out and just sell it as milk, for human consumption, with strict regualtions on the health of the cows or the goats that supply the unpasteurised milk.
Macro at hornsby won’t carry it, simply because of the way it is sold. For ‘Cosmetic purposes’, not for drinking.
I managed to buy unpasteurised cheese, but it was made in ITALY! I would like to buy Aussie made unpasteurised dairy. I love the italian made cheese, but well, support Aussie farmers is what I want to do, but there is no way I am going to cook with pasteurised cheese. Why would I ‘double pasteurise’ it? Being pasteurised destroys most of the goodness in it anyway, why would I want to make it even more plastic?
I don’t even understand the need for pasteurisation. If raw milk was so bad, the human race would have died out long before Louis Pasteur was around to spoil things for the rest of us.
There was a time for this invention as people were getting sick, but i question even the need for it back then. People were getting sick from drinking DIRTY milk. Instead of heat treating the milk, he should have come up with another form of ‘pasteurisation’ like a LAW stating that the cattle providing us with the milk, should be disease free.
Heck if he did not do it, why can’t the modern government of today, legalise the sale and human consumption of raw milk, and pass a law stating that the animals providing the milk, should be certified organic and healthy and the consequences of the failure to meet this requirement, could result in severe fines or some such.
The bottom line is we should have access to fresh, whole, healthy milk that has not been tampered with. Alot of our problems with dairy is due to pasteurisation, simply due to the destruction of valuable vitamins and enzymes that are naturally available within raw milk.
I gave Cleo’s milk to my toddler, drank it while I was in the final stages of my pregnancy with my second one who is now one.My children have no adverse effects at all.
My in laws were raised on raw milk, drank raw milk during pregnancies and gave birth to healthy children.
A few weeks back, I watched on the news that the government is lifting the ban on GM foods. That pissed me off no end. I’ll be darned if I feed my family GM foods. I don’t believe in the Genetic modification of foods simply because those type pf foods are not readily occuring in nature. They are modified because of human tampering.
So good, raw milk will make us sick, but GM foods are okay? They must stark raving mad.
Dec 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
That Dr. Astin sounds as about as knowledgeable on public health as a gnat. If pasteurisation was so good, how is it that the incidence of dairy allergy is on the rise?
Yet there are people who with this problem, who have had raw milk and had no problems, until they went back to the pasteurised rubbish. How is she going to explain that ‘phenomena’?
I blame all the physical ills that the modern society faces on the lousy, so called healthy food our mothers were forced to eat by lies provided by the government in relation to good healthy food.
If we eat lousy food, we are going to produce offspring that will be of lesser strength and health. Our children’s bodies will not be able to tolerate as much as we were once able to. The number of children suffering from all kinds of allergies, some even dying from those allergies are all due to the new fangled, tampered rubbish that our shelves are stocked with, that we as mothers have little choice but to eat as we put our faith in the government to do the right thing by us.
We need to return to a more natural state of affairs and raw milk is just one part of it. I wish that i could go back in time and warn Louis Pasteur of the monster he was creating. It is said that on his death bed, he had admitted that he had done the wrong thing.
I demand to see raw milk on sale, legally and the availability of fresh untampered food to us all.
Dec 21st, 2007 at 1:28 am
I’ll be completely honest, reading your posts fills me with rage.
Why do they fill me with rage? Because you people believe that you have more knowledge and understanding about the pasteurisation of milk than scientists and doctors who have studied for years and researched and experimented, possibly for decades.
Nothing any of you say is backed up by anything more than personal opinions and anecdotes.
Believing that you know better (as a parent/individual) than a highly educated, well-trained doctor or scientist is nothing but arrogance and ignorance of the highest degree.
Scientific experiments and trials are designed to remove as much personal bias as possible from results. They are repeated time and time again and they are also repeated by different institutes in separate countries who are not in communication with each other.
They perform experiments and trials in this way to help ensure that the results seen are not merely flukes or coincidence and are as accurate as possible.
Opinions and personal anecdotes are not accurate evidence and should not be treated as such. Believing that they are and listening to ones own intuition as opposed to thinking rationally is a dangerous practice. By drinking unpasteurised milk you are putting your and your child’s health at risk.
Pasteurised milk helps to protect against tuberculosis, diphtheria, polio, salmonella, strep throat, scarlet fever and typhoid fever
All of the above are dangerous. Most can be deadly.
I am shocked and appalled that you would put your children’s lives at risk because of ridiculous ideas about pasteurisation removing nutrients from milk and leading to dairy allergies. Feeding them unpasteurised milk that is not considered fit for human consumption by most western nations is tantamount to child abuse.
Dec 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 am
Hey Tres,
We are all for healthy discussion @ Nourished Magazine. It is awesome to see you filled with so much passion for this subject and particularly your interest in the safety of the younger ones.
To facilitate further discussion you may have noticed the checkbox at the bottom of this comment form. This checkbox gives you an opportunity to monitor any responses to your comment, and keep yourself involved in the discussion. There are 11 subscribers to this post, and this being a hot topic and your opinion being a departure from the thread of the discussion, I am sure a handful of them would love to debate you on some of the points you have made.
I hope you come back to this post to check on comments, and perhaps you could make use of the follow-up comments notification service in future.
Cheers, Wes
Dec 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 am
Most things that can be contracted by raw milk are due to diseased animals and poor hygiene-make sure you know the pros and cons before you leap. Tuberculosis is non-existent in Australia (and nearly all civilised countries-all animals supplying milk should be tested for it anyhow)-ask you local vet. Raw milk is a delicate product that should be treated with the caution and respect it deserves, and it should be freely available to those that wish to consume it with the appropriate warnings on the bottle. Many doctors leap to conclusions when told their patient is drinking raw milk-often to the determent of the patient in diagnosing the actual cause if the sickness. If raw milk was so dangerous my whole family (and my ancestors) would be dead-my mother fed us all raw milk and drank it while pregnant with absolutely no ill effect, we never even had chicken pox due to the immunity that the cow’s passed on against cow pox, all the other children in our class had it repeatedly. However any animals supplying raw milk for human consumption should be vaccinated and tested for all diseases-this goes against organic principles (which could encourage disease-no matter what anyone says, herbs won’t stop or cure you of tetanus or most other major diseases), we have advanced animal care and we should use it (how would you feel if your children or loved ones, or even your pet, was deprived of advanced medical care?). My nest door neighbour is organic, he treats mastitis with comfrey-every cow he has treated like this has died-I very rarely have mastitis and if I do I follow my vets advice, I have never lost an animal. He also doesn’t vaccinate and many of his animals die a horrible death if tetanus, blackleg and pulpy kidney, I’ve never lost one. Organic animals are definitely not treated more humanely then in conventional farming, maybe even less so, and most husbandry procedures carried out in conventional farming can also be used in organic (ie tail docking, mulesing, dehorning) they are also no more or less sustainable than a conventionally run environmentally aware farm. I agree that feeding hormones and antibiotics to make animals grow faster should be banned-I only ever use antibiotics on a vet’s prescription and triple withholding periods and I never use hormones, I try to use homeopathic remedies wherever practical. Feed lotting is also terrible. My animals are free-range also.
Just my 5 cents (and no offence to organic farms, just my view and technique),
Nessa
Dec 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I would be intereted in reading a response to the above comment from Sallie from Aphrodite Dairy.
Her bath milk is certified organic and unpasturised. I wonder how many of their cows have died over the 10 years that their farm has been organic? We have been drinking Aphrodite since May this year, including my daughter, and we arent dying from any diseases! Quite the opposite!!! To Tres, may i suggest an anger mangement technique…… a tall glass of raw milk sipped serenly in the sunshine, that should turn that frown upside down!!!!!!!!! Megan.
Dec 22nd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I’m sure their farm is lovely-there are good and bad farms in all genres-however there simply has to be more fatalities in organic farming, animals (just like humans :-)) get ill and homeopathic remedy’s only go so far. Maybe she uses traditional treatments when necessary than culls the now non-organic animal? In America the organic I’ve heard that the organic code is different, that they can use ivomec to drench and vaccinate? How many people here have had their children and pets vaccinated, or give their dog heartworm meds? I just believe that animals have a right to care too. It has been a bad year for pulpy kidney this year, we vaccinated, a bio-dynamic farm in the district did not, 50 of his lambs died horrible deaths. Another example: a ewe here needed a c-section which required anaest