Comments on: Round 1 is Lost - QLDers against Water Flouridation continue the fight.

By: Cathy Mifsud

Cathy Mifsud — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:44:26 +0000

“The Fluoride Deception” by Christopher Bryson is avail to watch on you tube. There is a part one & two totalling about 40 min.

Phill,
the flouride that comes from the scrubbers of the aluminum and fertiliser industries is also contaminated with poisons like lead and arsenic. Then they add a heap of other crap to the water to balance out the ph. Soon as the Fluoride went into Castlemaine’s water supply most of us felt the difference in the shower and bath. Still now 6 months later and its awful. I never feel as clean and refreshed as I did before it was added. The water feels hard and yuck.
Coincidentally, soon as the fluoride went in I’ve slept almost every arvo with my little one. I was never able to do this before, even during total exhaustion in Nina’s first year. Thing is I never drink a drop of fluoridated water, I filter tank water so if it is connected to fluoride, its from the hot ( too hot ) showers I have every morning. I have felt different since the fluoride went in and I sleep HEAPS. Anyone else that is filtering the fluoride or tank notice this? I could just be recovering from 2 1/2 years of sleep deprevation?

ACTION
An idea, I contacted Get Up ( an Australian on line political action group) to see if they would take this on as one of their campaigns. They said no because they didn’t think it was important to their members. Sad because fluorides only going make people less active by dumbing them down. Anyway it would be great for people to call “Get Up” and tell them we need help to end Australia’s water fluoridation now especially that it’s known to harm our childrens developing brains! Get Up - 02 9264 4037 and or e mail http://www.getup.org
Tell your friends to call Get Up!
Its worth a try, these guys have over 300,000 on line members and fast growing.

One of the dentists at Melb DHS who you sometimes get when ringing in opposing water fluoridation, Andrew actually believed that indigenous groups around the world had really bad teeth! Of course he never heard of Dr Price! I did mail them info on Price’s work but it would be more effective if other people did this too. Maybe they might actually READ IT PROPERLY and start thinking for themselves! Here’s the Vic e mail address environmentalhealth@dhs.vic.gov.au

By: Mary

Mary — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:42:43 +0000

Hi folks, Can I direct you to a book that you may all be interested in? It is called “Fluoride, The Ageing Factor” by Dr John Yiamouyiannis , BS, PhD - Health Action Press ISBN 0-913571-032-2.

I was particularly impressed by this author’s qualifications, BS in Biochemistry, University of Chicago, PhD in Biochemistry, University of Rhode Island - Post doctoral research at Western Reserve University Medical School, and most interestingly - biochemist editor at Chemical Abstracts Service which is the world’s largest chemical information centre where he first became aware of the health-damaging effects of fluoride.

There are no websites mentioned but Googling the info might bring up more facts. Appreciation also to John Cirocco author of “Living Proof” for providing me with the above information in his book

Good Luck to QAWF

By: Margaret Phillips

Margaret Phillips — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:33:31 +0000

I have had two episodes of serious illness in my life, both coincidentally at the same times as I have been exposed to fluoridated water, Sydney 1968, Melbourne 1978-9.
I have enjoyed good health for the past 30 years, but now our water is ‘Blighted’, I have no idea where I am going to be able to live.
I am installing a reverse osmosis filter in the kitchen, and tanks for laundry and bathroom, but I live in Cairns, where I get lots of rain. My family all live in Brisbane and seem to be resigned to their fate.

Qld politicians must be amongst the thickest people on the planet.
There is plenty of information out there.

Here are some reputable sites I have found within a few minutes of searching the net.

http://www.fluoride-journal.com
This presents papers from researchers from all around the world who attend an international conference every couple of years.

http://www.robodoonproductions.com

This is a video explaining history etc.

There is a book available called The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson.

http://www.glenwalker.net/ The Australian Fluoridation News is an informative site

By: Mona Orszulak

Mona Orszulak — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:21:58 +0000

I’m livid about our so called leaders/politicians making decisions supposedly on our behalf that will negatively affect our society, particularly those with chronic health problems. I certainly don’t want fluoride in my drinking water, and can’t even imagine drinking “poo water” thats never going to be rid of some of the most destructive chemicals! This is chemical warfare!
My kids and theirs brush their teeth and drink water not cordials and soft drinks; the kids they’re trying to protect should do the same and then their teeth will be perfect like our family’s! Who the hell do our not even elected representatives think they are? REVOLT!!!

By: Phil

Phil — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:13:59 +0000

Debbie , not just your reference but a friend previously complained she couldn’t get to that site (I now understand the problem she had). I also found incidence of others complaining about this issue. The operators of the ‘.org’ website should have registered the ‘.com’ site as a precaution as it is quite normal that people are most familiar with the ‘.com’ type of name.
If there is a cause to fight for it shouldn’t be done in a slap happy way. All evidence must be presented in its entirety and not out of context as well as ensuring it is not presented in a way that is alluring or misleading. The problem I may have at looking at the fluoride issue is the strength of opposing argument. It’s a bit like climate change - not all our scientists agree but there is more scientific consensus now than there ever was. This is what the anti fluoride brigade needs for success. It is no good gathering evidence from here and there. A broad consensus of scientific agreement is needed as a show of conclusive feeling to the public. Conspiracy theories won’t wash, there are more than enough qualified experts out there who will break ranks if conspiracy is noticed. Consensus is critical. Just as I am annoyed that my milk is played around with so much compared to what I got some 40 years ago, I am fairly adverse to any change to what I eat more than is absolutely necessary.
I sent an email to ADA last night as well but I did not find a proper contact address for them.
I sent it to: membership@ada.org

By: Debbie

Debbie — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:15:55 +0000

Oh dear. You’re right about the website being “fluoridealert.org” rather than “.com” Phil. I normally just google fluoridealert to go to the site. Quite a fuss was made about the ADA (American Dental Association) leaping in to buy the fluoridealert.com name to set up their pro-fluoride activist website, to try to stop people finding anti-fluoride information at the original fluoridealert.org site.

The “continual reference to the ‘.com’ website” you mention (if you’re referring to me) is entirely accidental, and something the sneaky alternative-site dentists would be delighted about. It’s a good opportunity if you land at their site accidentally to email them complaining about their misleading misinformation, something I did last night when I first found out about their site.

.org is the usual trailer for not-for-profit organisations and .com implies a business - I guess that’s why they went for .org.

By: Phil

Phil — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:22:37 +0000

“fluoridealert.com” has a redirection to a pro ADA fluoride content area!?

I believe what you mean to be referring to is fluoridealert.org. This redirection seems to be a a point of contention amoung the anti-fluoride community? Hope you may see my point but why is there continual reference to the “.com” website instead of the “.org” website. From this I can’t help but wonder why the “.com” site was not initially acquired for anti-fluoride information as it is the naming convention people would quickly link to!

By: Sarah Luck

Sarah Luck — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:50:35 +0000

Yes, reverse osmosis or distillation are the only two ways (to the best of my knowledge) that remove ALL fluoride from water. There are other filters that remove varying percentages of it as well. Reverse osmosis is not ideal, like distillation, you end up with ‘dead’ water but I prefer this to drinking fluoride in my water. I offset some of the dead water issues by adding a small amount of himalayan sea salt to my jug of drinking water. RO are the most expensive water filters too and not everyone can afford this type of water filter. We should be given the choice over whether we want or need extra fluoride (or any type of supplement or medication) not be forced to find ways to remove it.

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:04:34 +0000

Is that a reverse osmosis filter?

By: Debbie

Debbie — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:45:00 +0000

Hello again Phil,
The website that gives details of the conference is “fluoridealert.com”. The same website gives links to heaps of information about fluoridation at various levels, from .6ppm to over 10ppm (China, India etc) where skeletal fluorosis has deformed the bones and teeth of entire communities.
The state government’s department of Human Services says that 5000 children a year in Victoria have a general anaesthetic for tooth decay, to win our support for fluoridation. But the vast majority of those children live in fluoridated Melbourne, something they don’t say. Always go to the study yourself, I don’t trust the government.
Regarding medications like aspirin, these are all optional, not like needing to drink water. Aspirin and any other medication or treatment has compulsory research requirements (unlike fluoridation) and carries a warning.

The best independent review of scientific literature on fluoridation is the York Review 2000, online at the University of York, England. A few quotes from it are in an earlier posting above. The NHMRC of Australia did it’s own review last year, but it reviewed most of what the York review did, and wasn’t independent. Even the NHMRC doesn’t claim that fluoridation is “safe”.